Ah Vanilla, for what I believe is a flawed car, it certainly does seem to get a lot more credit than it is due.
Yes, it is flawed. It floods. It drinks like an essex girl drinks her tart fuel on the weekend club jaunt. It needs oil. It needs more torque. It needs cruise control.
This doesn’t mean it’s not a fast / rapid / [insert word in here that means exactly the same thing] car. Which is where you’re having a go and not actually bothering to engage in a meaningful way.
My current car whatever it may be is irrelevant. I'm not crapping on anyone's posts. It's known as "disagreeing" and my posts have been courteous and a true reflection of my experience with the RX8 throughout this thread until you decided to change the topic to "Scuzi" rather than "RX8".
Your hipocracy is so blatent I cannot believe you haven't noticed it yourself. I haven't sniped any posts.
Telling someone to ‘stfu nub’ is disagreeing. As is ‘wrong, you suck’. Neither used by you but just disagreeing with someone doesn’t make it a valuable and courteous response.
I can count twice in the last few pages where you've jumped on people sharing their own opinion. You've not gone on to explain your position or ask others to explain theirs, you just say 'No it isn't' or 'it's isnt blisteringly anything'. This isn’t constructive disagreement it’s just sniping. I had to flat out ask you ‘Why?’ to get you to explain.
Even when people explain why they think it is rapid or the lack of torque can be a good thing, as I did, you don’t bother to reply or argue the point, you just wait for the next person to call it a certain word you don’t agree with and give it another one line answer.
I have posted my honest opinion of the RX8 and because I haven't sugar coated it you appear to take issue with it.
Plenty other people in this thread have been very blunt and negative with the RX8. Have I taken issue with that? No, I’m quite happy to let people feel that way; it’s not a perfect car. Have I picked apart all comments and posted one liners about how people are not driving it correctly, or don’t know how to drive?
Or is the issue I’m making the fact you attack anyone who describes the RX8 as fast without bothering to even engage in meaningful discussion?
The fact is people are trying to post
their honest opinion and you post snipe comments without even bothering to ask why they have that opinion. Feel free to have that opinion, feel free to explain it but don’t snipe one liners at people trying to post their opinions.
However, instead of arguing the topic in hand, you are the one who is sniping at me. You posted a comment aimed personally at me rather than the topic in hand.
I tried to argue the topic in hand around the torque. I replied to your comments. You didn’t reply earlier in this thread but still continued to have pokes. Hence, you got called out because I started to realise a trend.
For goodness sake wind your neck in.
Do you have the figures for the Top Gear lap times? I don't recall watching those episodes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml
Four seconds faster than a Lotus Elise (shockingly), same time around the track as the M3. Less than a
second behind the 911 turbo and Honda NSX.
I agree with you that the RX8 is acceptably fast and that in a straight line it is okay but it certainly isn't "rapid" as some people have said.
So it’s ok if someone calls the RX8 fast but not OK if they call it rapid? To me there is no distinction between ‘rapid’ and ‘fast’ when describing a car. I’ve never turned to someone who said ‘wow that car is fast’ and said ‘no way, it’s
rapid!!’. It means the same thing. Or is there some kind of car talk table I’m not ‘fly’ with:
0-60
Sub 4 seconds – 2fast2furious!!! I live life a quarter of a mile at a time!
Sub 5 Seconds – VTEC YO!
Sub 6 Seconds – Wow that car is rapid!
Sub 7 Seconds – Wow that car is fast!
A car that costs half that of an M3 and does the same time around a track is rapid to me. Especially as a 911 turbo and an NSX is only a second ahead. To me this is a scenario where the RX8 is blisteringly fast. Certainly acceptable in a straight line and great given a challenge like a track.
It's far from it. It may embarass a lot of more expensive metal around a track but how many of the RX8s on the road today end up on a track? Do you race your car on track?
Only once, but the point people make when they talk about track times is it’s the best estimation we have for how a car behaves, as you say below,
as an overall package. Pushed hard, corners, acceleration, handling.
I acknowledge that the RX8 handles very well and as an overall package, forgetting about the engine, it is an absolute stunner of a car. Like I said before, I believe the engine is absolutely rubbish and destroys something that given a decent engine, would be a serious contender to pretty much anything in a similar price/performance bracket.
The car has a lack of torque and it’s thirsty. You said yourself it’s acceptably fast in a straight line and a damn sight better than acceptable in lines that are not straight. I can’t fault the engine when it does what it does………..not being a nice drive (torque) doesn’t mean the engine should be written off.
My problem with the RX8 is that I wanted to like it so much. From the day I first seen it I wanted one. I loved it. Can you imagine how deflated I felt when I actually drove one? Everyone had talked about how rapid it was and how it could beat all sorts of performance cars around a track but after a couple of test drives in both a 190 and 230 car, I was sorely disappointed.
I hated the RX8 at first too. I test drove it and dismissed it. I then had a much longer go in a (girl)friends RX8 and started to like it. I went for it and got one and I’ve been mostly happy ever since.
I have been looking at another car, not because the RX8 is bad (and I have had some bad experiences with things like flooding) but because I’m getting bored and I think the end of 2009 will be a good year to pick up some top-end bargains – E90 M5’s for £22k, Range Rovers for £18k, etc.