Left wing people moaning ( Elections in the NL)

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Hello,


With the elections coming up here I'm often discussing them on various news sites.
What boggles me most is, most people voting for the left wing parties, keep accusing me of being antisocial, egoistic and saying the right wing parties will divide the country in 2 and ruin in, and tell everyone to vote for the socialist party. Luckily, the biggest party atm in polls is exactly the party I like, A conservative-liberal party, but the lefties seem to **** them constantly.

A short list of the parties and their stance on things:
Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA), a centre-right Christian Democratic party. It holds to the principle that government activity should supplement but not supplant communal action by citizens. The CDA puts its philosophy between the "individualism" of the VVD and the "statism" of the PvdA.
The Labour Party (PvdA), a social democratic, centre-left Labour party. Its programme is based on greater social, political, and economic equality for all citizens.
The Socialist Party (SP), in its first years a radical socialist/communist party, a Maoist split from the Communist Party Netherlands, is now a more mainstream socialist party, left from the PvdA on economic issues but at the same time taking more conservative positions on issues like integration and national identity than the PvdA.
The People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), a conservative liberal party. It attaches great importance to private enterprise and the freedom of the individual in political, social, and economic affairs.
Democrats 66 (D66), a social-liberal radical party. The party supports liberal policies on abortion and euthanasia and reform of the welfare state. The party is left-wing on immigration, environment and foreign policy.
The Party for Freedom (PVV), an anti-Islam nationalist-conservative party founded and dominated by Geert Wilders, formerly of the VVD. Its philosophy is based on free market economics and opposition to immigration and European integration.
Green Left (GroenLinks) combines, as its name implies green environmentalist ideals with left-wing ideals. The party is also strongly in favour of the multicultural society.
Christian Union (ChristenUnie), a Christian-democratic party made up by mostly orthodox Protestant Christians, with conservative stances on abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage. In other areas the party is considered centre-left, for instance on immigration, welfare state and environment.
The Party for the Animals is a single-issue animal rights party with natural affinity for environmental issues. In general, the party is considered left of the centre.
The Political Reformed Party (SGP), the most orthodox Protestant party with conservative policies: government is only to serve God. It is a testimonial party. Only in 2006 and after heavy political pressure were women allowed to be members of this party.

Left/right& progressive/conservative spectrum:
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The current polls (seats out of 150):

VVD 36
PvdA 29
CDA 24
PVV 18
SP 12
Groen Links 10
D66 11
ChristenUnie 7
SGP 2
PvdDieren 1



Now, this seems to completely panic most of the left wing brigade, they seem to be desperate, thinking people like me can be converted to vote for the SP ( socialist party), like that will ever happen, people who believe in a free market will never vote for a communist-socialst party! They are the slowest in doing anything about the debt and basically their solution to everything is to tax the successful/rich more. Do they really think that by name calling and swearing they can convert people to not vote on the right ?
 
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People that favour the free market shouldn't vote for a 100% capitalist economic policy, either. I'd be fairly happy wit that, a liberal Conservative party making up the government with a social democratic Labour party holding them to account.

Obviously I would want different result in the election though. ;)
 
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At least it appears that you have a decent choice of parties to vote for. In the UK we get the choice between a) right-wing authoritarian party, b) a slightly less right wing but more authoritarian party, and c) a less right wing, less authoritarian party.
 
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Aye the choice is larger but the political ideas of the people are also far more divided, it's always name calling between one or the other, most left wing people moan about having to work longer and how they are knackered after 40+ years of hard labour (imo their own fault for not finishing a proper education) and the right wing mainly about immigration, and taxes ( a lot move out to other countries like Portugal or Spain so they can keep more of their hard earned pennies). It's always a coalition of 3 or more parties.
 
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Hard choice between:

The Political Reformed Party (SGP), the most orthodox Protestant party with conservative policies: government is only to serve God. It is a testimonial party. Only in 2006 and after heavy political pressure were women allowed to be members of this party.

And:

The Party for the Animals is a single-issue animal rights party with natural affinity for environmental issues. In general, the party is considered left of the centre.
 
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Do they really think that by name calling and swearing they can convert people to not vote on the right ?

I can't figure out why anyone would think that, not just people who are left wing. If someone is so easily swayed then do you really want to claim their support for your cause?

Goddamn Left Wing hippies.

You've got me curious, is there such a thing as a right wing hippy?
 
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OH bloody hell it looks like labour has done it again and will be the biggest, VVD ( lib conservatives) close second though with the same amount of votes counted. CDA ( christian democrats) big losers.

70,4% of the votes counted (296 of 431 municipality's )

Out of 150 seats
Party , seats , seats in 2006 , difference

CDA 21 41 -20 ( Christian democrats)
PvdA 31 33 -2 (labour/social democrats)
SP 15 25 -10 (socialists)
VVD 31 21 +10 ( conservative liberals)
PVV 23 9 +14 ( Nationalistic/populist right wing anti islam party)
GL 10 7 +3 ( Green radical tree huggers)
CU 5 6 -1 ( Christian union (anti abortion, euth etc crap party))
D66 11 3 +8 ( social liberals)
PvdD 1 2 -1 ( party for animals ( retards))
SGP 2 2 0 ( strong christian party, backwards)
Trots 0 1 -1 ( unimportant, they lost anyhow and will get no seats)


Others who lost and aren't listed:
Dutch Pirate Party


I doubt this result will hold, a coalition would either be a dead center one ( CDA VVD PvdA, but cda and pvda just come from a collapsed government) or a four party one.
 
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I think Roger Scruton summed up the problem pretty well...

'Leftwing people find it very hard to get on with rightwing people, because they believe that they are evil. Whereas I have no problem getting on with leftwing people, because I simply believe that they are mistaken.'

Source

A quick glance around some of the politics threads on here supports the idea, as does a look at most national politics in Europe...
 
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Wonder if we'll see the same amount of panic in the Netherlands as we did in Britain at no overall party gaining control? I bet not ;)

nah we always have coalititions, usually a three party one.

Luckily labour finally lost, the liberals are the largest party...;) 31 vs 30 seats and the road to a right wing coalition is open :D. 76 seats vvd + cda + pvv. I hope ik happens, no more bloody taxes that way in the coming period.
 
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