Soldato
Yep!
London Bridge Incident
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The majority aren't, I'm far from a lefty but we have tried bombing, intelligence/border control can only go so far. I truly believe education is the best shout at ending this crap. Its worked in the past and god help us if it doesn't work in the future
You are dealing with a core problem that isn't interested in and possibly can't even see reason - education alone won't solve the issue. Which is part of the problem - people still think you can reason with it.
Man of Honour
6 rounds from each person against 3 people killing random strangers and who should be assumed to be wearing bombs is not at all excessive. Bullets are cheap. A bomb detonated by a terrorist is not. You need to make certain they are dead as soon as possible. Not wounded. Not probably dead. Definitely dead, dead so quickly they can't possibly detonate the bomb. Somebody shot once or a few times might survive long enough to press the button. Somebody shot 20 times is much less likely to be able to do anything. So shoot them 20 times. Or 200 times. They can be too alive, but they can't be too dead. I don't know how much bullets cost, but I'm sure it can't be more than a couple of quid each. I'd be fine with 500 rounds fired by 8 officers. Or 80 officers. My only concern would be destruction of evidence that might be on the corpses, but that's a risk worth taking to make sure they're dead too quickly to do anything. So yes, riddle them with bullets. It's the sensible and careful thing to do.
Soldato
Who said anything about reasoning? Education from the bottom upwards, through generations. As you said education is not the silver bullet but it's a solid foundation for a start. I'm sure people said the same thing about racism in the western world but we're about there, although this thread is maybe showing we're not quite as far there as I thought
Soldato
Daily Mail reader obviously. Jezza just laid the smack down on tory police cuts and committed himself to more cops and they can use whatever force necessary. So yeah that's that put to bed.
you can put your tin foil hat back on...... central London quite literally has the highest national density of police AFO's even if you were to do it compared to the local population at the time.
That's not to say that some non police units aren't available if we get a full on Mumbai style attack
The kind of stuff is deeply rooted i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th-century_radical_Islam_in_Egypt if people think this is purely about the UK's/West's legacy and/or foreign policy they are missing so much - we can't take in people en mass from that part of the world and not expect to bring some of that with it.
Who said anything about reasoning? Education from the bottom upwards, through generations. As you said education is not the silver bullet but it's a solid foundation for a start. I'm sure people said the same thing about racism in the western world but we're about there, although this thread is maybe showing we're not quite as far there as I thought
Unless you go as far as a wholesale and indiscrimante removing the young at birth and bringing them up in complete isolation from their heritage, while probably having to deport many others what you are talking about is effectively about reasoning.
more tin foil hats....
The called SFO's.. there still police and they have been around for a while...
Do they?
Isn't education about stopping the next generation getting their heads turned by these lunatics while we still carry on blowing the heads off the current ones?
He also opposed the 'shoot to kill' policy the police used last night to end the attack in 8 minutes - until today.
Congrats for assuming so much about what I posted - I was merely interested as they were working alongside established SFO units while using equipment/weapon loadout not previously seen in use in the UK in that particular configuration (aside from a couple of recon army units).
Education so far doesn't seem to be winning that war - I can't possibly know how it will turn out in the long run but it certainly hasn't worked elsewhere in the past.
Soldato
Did he?
There's no doubt a lot of reasons to not want Corbyn to be PM, but if you base those reasons on facts rather than inaccurate interpretations or things you half-remember then it gives your argument a lot more credence.
Spot on. Destroying the head makes it less likely for there to be a nerve reflex setting off some sort of trigger too. You can't fire too many bullets in that sort of situation.
Watch the video of Corbyn in the article and make your own mind up.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37214...l-policy-in-response-to-london-bridge-attack/
Yep, although it probably won't be resolved as quickly as the Westminster one as a member of the public was hit this time.
Soldato
It goes way beyond that. There is no way Corbyn will take action. He won't call a drone strike. He would never be prepared to send out troops to war. He would not support air strikes or our forces that are currently fighting IS. May will do what it takes to crush these terrorists.
He is extremely guarded with his wording.
I think people are misinterpreting what the 'shoot to kill' policy is about.....it certainly doesn't mean police can't shoot to kill people when they deem it necessary within the realms of reasonable force without it, because they can.
Which is what happened last night.