London Bridge Incident

a1ex2001 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:15

Vonhelmet said:
And yet we have terrorist watch lists.

For which there will be a threshold test and that threshold will not be one random report from a member of the public and once someone is on the watch list they are not detained just monitored hence they could get into a van with a couple of mates and go run people over. Is it really that difficult to understand?

mid_gen · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:15

hornetstinger said:
I'm not a youngster.

It's been happening for centuries, it's just that it's moved over here.

Why do you suppose it has moved over here? It's not the people, they've been here a long time.

What might have happened in the last 20 years to get us in this situation?

Brenn47 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:17

mid_gen said:
What might have happened in the last 20 years to get us in this situation?

Labours "Open Doors" policy letting every Tom, Dic k, and Harry into the country?

robbw77 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:18

mid_gen said:
Why do you suppose it has moved over here? It's not the people, they've been here a long time.

What might have happened in the last 20 years to get us in this situation?

If your alluding to foreign policy, its not the only factor that has caused this, in fact its a very small part.

Hitman_Leon · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:18

Robbo said:
Spot on. Destroying the head makes it less likely for there to be a nerve reflex setting off some sort of trigger too. You can't fire too many bullets in that sort of situation.

Due to the apparent presence of explosive vests the ideal shot would be to the medulla oblongata, either to severe it from the spinal cord or obliterate it. Instant flaccid paralysis follows with no chance of action from the target pressing buttons or pulling triggers.

tinder · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:18

Hikari Kisugi said:
Conceptually to them, their safety comes from more guns everywhere, as thats what media, advertising and lobby groups tell them.
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Americans think it's best to 'fight fire with fire, much like my granddad did, that's probably why he was sacked from the fire service.

Sympathies to those affected by the actions of brain-dead morons, of whatever faith they might be.

a1ex2001 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:19

scorza said:
Why do you constantly try to downplay incidents like this? It's not just three idiots with a van is it? It's three terror attacks in three months that have resulted in multiple fatalities and life-changing injuries.

Because despite the current atrocities and the ridiculous 24/7 media hype the actual level of these incidents is thankfully still statistically very small we are nowhere near civil war or any such reactionary nonsense. That is not to be-little the loss suffered by the victims and families.

robbw77 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:23

a1ex2001 said:
Because despite the current atrocities and the ridiculous 24/7 media hype the actual level of these incidents is thankfully still statistically very small we are nowhere near civil war or any such reactionary nonsense. That is not to be-little the loss suffered by the victims and families.

It has to be stamped out now before it grows bigger.

The streets of the UK are stained with the blood of her citizens, is that not enough to take action against this evil?

a1ex2001 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:25

robbw77 said:
It has to be stamped out now before it grows bigger.

The streets of the UK are stained with the blood of her citizens, is that not enough to take action against this evil?

What action would you suggest?

robbw77 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:27

a1ex2001 said:
What action would you suggest?

Shut down all Saudi funded mosques, arrest, imprison and or deport the preachers spreading this hate.

Encourage peaceful Islamic preachers to spread the ideology of our western culture and values... if they don't then they have no place in British society.

Burnsy2023 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:32

Vonhelmet said:
Why do you keep saying it took eight minutes for them to get there? It didn't. It took them eight minutes to get there and kill the terrorists. You're being extremely disingenuous.

Indeed, 8 minutes to respond, arrive on scene, find the suspects, contain the area and make the decision to shoot. That's pretty quick, but doesn't fit into Scorza's #alternativefacts.

a1ex2001 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:35

robbw77 said:
Shut down all Saudi funded mosques, arrest, imprison and or deport the preachers spreading this hate.

Encourage peaceful Islamic preachers to spread the ideology of our western culture and values... if they don't then they have no place in British society.

Your really seriously believe that government led religious persecution of a minority will lead to less terrorist attacks?

Caracus2k · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:36

Little*Freak said:
Hello, just so you lot know, the Guardian is reporting that one of these people was reported to the Police 2 years ago & that the lady who reported it never heard anything back from the Police.

because the police always provide feedback on intelligence received right???

'protip' even 'regular' police officers that submit their own intelligence on what they have seen or found out at work don't 'hear anything back' a lot of the time even if the intel is actioned (not just for terrorism intel aswell)

D13 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:38

For starters, if a UK national goes to a foreign land and participates in any kind of warfare, they need to lose their right to enter the UK.

When fighting abroad, they can develop dangerous skills such as bomb making, knowledge of firearms etc.

robbw77 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:38

a1ex2001 said:
Your really seriously believe that government led religious persecution of a minority will lead to less terrorist attacks?

Not a persecution.

Why is it such madness to say that preachers of all faiths should instil British values into their religions while still practising it?

If they don't want to push British values, presumably because they don't like them, then why be in Britain?

ben1977 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:40

a1ex2001 said:
Your really seriously believe that government led religious persecution of a minority will lead to less terrorist attacks?

Deporting all Known suspects will reduce the risk.

Rroff · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:40

D13 said:
For starters, if a UK national goes to a foreign land and participates in any kind of warfare, they need to lose their right to enter the UK.

When fighting abroad, they can develop dangerous skills such as bomb making, knowledge of firearms etc.

I suspect there are many members of this forum who have digested certain "cookbooks" back in the day, etc. :s I think the concern would be more about mental state than skills attained.

platinum87 · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:41

robbw77 said:
It has to be stamped out now before it grows bigger.

The streets of the UK are stained with the blood of her citizens, is that not enough to take action against this evil?

The more you fight me the stronger i become, but if you ignore me i fade into oblivion.

What am i?

scorza · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:42

D13 said:
For starters, if a UK national goes to a foreign land and participates in any kind of warfare, they need to lose their right to enter the UK.

When fighting abroad, they can develop dangerous skills such as bomb making, knowledge of firearms etc.

Apparently French Special Forces have a mission in Iraq and Syria; to hunt down and kill all French jihadis fighting for the Islamic State.

Caged · 4 Jun 2017 at 21:42

Brenn47 said:
Labours "Open Doors" policy letting every Tom, Dic k, and Harry into the country?

When did we have an open door immigration policy?