Tower block fire - london

Nasher · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:13

balky12 said:
Apparently survivors are being found inside. Barricaded themselves in and used wet clothes to seal gaps around doors.

This is the sort of pro-active advice health and safety should be giving. Not just sit there and hope to be rescued.

Kronos · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:13

Fair play to the fire crews, going into a tall building in danger of collapse I would have thought. Horrendous scenes when I turned on the news at 3 am, looked like the whole block was ablaze. Yet some 4 hours later there were images of a guy on the 11 floor waving something white to attract attention. Scary stuff.

snips86x · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:15

adolf hamster said:
we'll have to see what the investigation comes up with on that one, but if it was then hopefully as you say the people responsible will have to answer for it.

do we have any reason to suspect negligence with the refurb? if this kind of cladding is standard enough practice.

edit: i mean that in terms of we have the campaign group claiming the management company is crooked

DavidMarq said:
It is all speculation at the moment. My point is just that "we complied with the regs mate" cannot necessarily be used as a defence in law.

As above but a quick google suggests:

The pressure treatment of timber with industrially applied fire retardant formulations can reduce fire growth rate, the spread of flame and the rate of heat release. These factors help maintain the integrity of structures, enabling both compliance to Building Regulations in terms of escape and safety of life and restricting damage to the building fabric itself.

Speculation I know but looking at the way it spread...

antijoke · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:15

God their blog is thoroughly upsetting to read.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/

I mean.....

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

DB_SamX · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:15

As a chartered structural engineer, my only comment is that there is way too much speculation going on this forum. No conclusive explanation on how it started, and spread, so no need to speculate on who is responsible.

adolf hamster · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:15

DavidMarq said:
It is all speculation at the moment. My point is just that "we complied with the regs mate" cannot necessarily be used as a defence in law.

yeah, it makes sense for sure, although if it was ok with the regs then the regs will need changed.

kinda sad how so often it seems people need to die before these things are looked into in a major way.

adolf hamster · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:17

DB_SamX said:
As a chartered structural engineer, my only comment is that there is way too much speculation going on this forum. No conclusive explanation on how it started, and spread, so no need to speculate on who is responsible.

true, but speculation happens on here as it does with every event.

LOAM · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:17

With regards CDM, from a designers POV it states;

An organisation or individual whose work involves preparing or modifying designs, drawings, specifications, bills of quantity or design calculations. Designers can be architects, consulting engineers and quantity surveyors, or anyone who specifies and alters designs as part of their work. They can also include tradespeople if they carry out design work. The designer’s main duty is to eliminate, reduce or control foreseeable risks that may arise during construction work, or in the use and maintenance of the building once built. Designers work under the control of a principal designer on projects with more than one contractor.

You would be doing so if your detailing conformed to current regulations and manufacturers installation details. Someone mentioned something similar in Southampton? I don't recall a fire spreading like this in the UK before today ?

snips86x · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:17

antijoke said:
God their blog is thoroughly upsetting to read.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/

I mean.....

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

OMG

That's horrific!!! I know businesses have lead times but that's outrages

iamtheoneneo · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:18

DB_SamX said:
As a chartered structural engineer, my only comment is that there is way too much speculation going on this forum. No conclusive explanation on how it started, and spread, so no need to speculate on who is responsible.

The videos on the ******* fire burning up the entire building is pretty good evidence as is the tens of blog posts by residents complaining that the building was not fit for purpose in the event of a fire.

but nahhhhh none of that is relevant of course.

Robbo · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:19

Six confirmed dead with the figure likely to rise, say police.

wolfie138 · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:19

JohnnyG said:
He should shut up, it's a bit premature to be blaming anyone at the moment.

piers morgan playing ivory tower during a tragedy, what a surprise.

snips86x · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:19

Robbo said:
Six confirmed dead with the figure likely to rise, say police.

I really feel for those affected

ColdAsIce · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:20

antijoke said:
God their blog is thoroughly upsetting to read.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/

I mean.....

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

No doubt that 2nd blog is going to play a huge part in identifying reasons why this tragedy happened.

MooMoo444 · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:22

Robbo said:
Six confirmed dead with the figure likely to rise, say police.

I feel like that will rise dramatically when they can search the building

MookJong · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:23

I'm stunned that some people managed to hold out and survive that. Some of the pictures show at least 3/4 of the building burning at the height of it.

Robbo · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:23

MooMoo444 said:
I feel like that will rise dramatically when they can search the building

They haven't reached the top 2-3 floors yet.

sbi5ar · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:24

MooMoo444 said:
I feel like that will rise dramatically when they can search the building

Heard on the BBC that around 500 people might live in the building - which if not alerted (due to no alarms) in the dead of night might not have been able to make it out

bloodiedathame · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:24

Is there a chance that the outside is severely burned but the inside is not too bad? I'd guess that the external temperature would ignite things inside the flats but it might have burned around the outside quite quickly...

Just heard that there is a fire in the middle of the building... Damn.

LOAM · 14 Jun 2017 at 11:25

antijoke said:
God their blog is thoroughly upsetting to read.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/grenfell-tower-fire/

I mean.....

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/grenfell-tower-from-bad-to-worse/

That blog isn't very good reading.