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UserBenchmark Bias

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For those that tried to defend their approach to changing the benchmark to favouring Intel, when AMD started winning.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/1064059/AMD-Ryzen-7-4800HS-with-Radeon-Graphics

Ryzen 4000 Mobile CPUs offer benchmark busting multi-core performance on the go, but marketing hype aside, it’s unclear how this will translate to real world performance gains for laptop users. Gamers are better off with low latency CPUs. At launch, the top GPU available in a 4000 series laptop is the RTX 2060. Since the GPU is largely responsible for overall gaming performance, the Ryzen 4000 laptops will offer mid tier gaming performance at best. Pairing stronger GPUs would be sub optimal because the Zen latency bottleneck becomes increasingly severe with more powerful GPUs.

Streamers and media producers, who have historically benefited from CPU cores, are better off using the GPU (NVENC or QuickSync) for encoding. Leading media creation applications including both DaVinci Resolve and Adobe Premiere Pro are largely GPU bound. Sixteen threads can indeed be useful in corner case workloads (UserBenchmark 64-core, Cinebench, Handbrake (CPU mode), Blender (CPU mode)) but for the majority of consumers most of the threads will remain idle. With low power consumption and high core counts, the 4000 range, on paper at least, is a perfect fit for the datacenter. AMD should focus on delivering a platform that offers performance where end users actually need it rather than targeting inexperienced gamers with the same old "moar cores" mantra.

Wow is all I can say. These chips will finally get AMD ahead of Intel in laptops and the Intel shills have started their campaign already.
 
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Clearly Intel shills IMO

I left this coment. Everyone should do the same.

This content fly's in the face of every review on the internet, the Ryzen 4800H and HS is faster, often A LOT faster than Intel's 9880H, which is far more expensive and far less power efficient, check out Linus Tech Tips review of the 4800HS, or Hardware Unboxed, Or Gamers Nexus.... LTT even increased the power level of the 9880H to 90 Watts, also most 3X that of the 4800HS and still at 90 Watts the 9880H could not keep up with the 4800HS.
Something is VERY wrong here with this content.

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UserBenchmark has some ridiculous statements like their claim that the 3700X severely bottlenecks a 2070S :rolleyes:
Hardware Unboxed at 10:48 - "UserBenchmark is garbage"
 
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Both Passmark (Also had Intel favouring changes recently) and UserBench are right at the top of Googles sponsored links for "CPU Benchmark" search results, to get to the top of those sponsored search results cost mega money, far more money than these people will be earning from ad revenues.

Sounds like those other "independent" testing people Gamers Nexus visited.
 
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Maybe the Verge and UserBenchmark should do a build together!
Get that Swiss army knife and anti-static bracelet ready for the ultimate gaming build, complete with a 9350KF Quad Core CPU since it beats the 3700X hands down in all 5 of today's most popular games out here :D
 
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UserBenchmark just got banned from Reddit /r/hardware, /r/intel and has been restricted at /r/AMD
https://thinkcomputers.org/userbenc...n=userbenchmark-biased-component-rating-drama

UserBenchmark adjusted its ranking system when Ryzen 3000 series CPUs was launched. While adjustments are needed from time-to-time, UserBenchmark stopped displaying real-world performance.
The criticism came from the community and many reviews/ news websites. Some were amused by the scoring system that contradicts itself.

For example this i5-10600 sample wins on UserBenchmark vs Ryzen 5 3600 despite overall lower test scores... :confused:
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https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/26665212
 
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That is utterly bizarre how on earth do they justify that in any methodology!

the idiot who runs the website is either a massive fanboy who has too much free time on their hands OR they are receiving payment from Intel's marketing team. Now considering Intel has been caught several times previously putting money into tech website hands to get favourable press Id be more inclined to believe userbenchmark is a Intel sponsored platform, the fact that this conflict of interest is not declared is very dodgy.

they aren't alone but are by far the worst, the website owner even goes out of their way to personally attack reviewers and people who disagree with userbenchmark
 
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UserBenchmark just got banned from Reddit /r/hardware, /r/intel and has been restricted at /r/AMD
https://thinkcomputers.org/userbenc...n=userbenchmark-biased-component-rating-drama

UserBenchmark adjusted its ranking system when Ryzen 3000 series CPUs was launched. While adjustments are needed from time-to-time, UserBenchmark stopped displaying real-world performance.
The criticism came from the community and many reviews/ news websites. Some were amused by the scoring system that contradicts itself.

For example this i5-10600 sample wins on UserBenchmark vs Ryzen 5 3600 despite overall lower test scores... :confused:
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https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/26665212

So the 3600 scored higher on every individual benchmark and yet still they rank it lower. That's ridiculous. The only conclusion to be drawn here is Intel get the higher ranking despite being slower just because its Intel. UserBenchmark are a joke.
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I like r/AMD's way of dealing with this, let people see this crap but warn them they are full of #### and angry about being called out of their ####.
 
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Before the Ryzen 3000 series came out, Userbenchmarks ranking system was based on a 30% single core, 60% quad core, and 10% multi core performance ratio.
Shortly after the Ryzen 3000 series came out, they “suddenly” changed their 10% multi core performance impact to just 2%, thus lowering AMD scores vs Intel overnight.

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This change got a lot of attention but instead of taking in feedback from the tech community to dial back on this heavy focus on single core performance, they instead basically called everyone who disagreed with them chills.
They even called out Hardware Unboxed for being "objectively incompetent smearers” likely after they did this video: https://youtu.be/AaWZKPUidUY?t=214
 
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It's an absolute joke they have become for this, changing the weight they assign makes sense but certainly not in the way they have been doing it. For example I can understand reducing the effective multicore score IF they increased the the quad core to octocore. But leaving the quadcore in there benefits no one but Intel, as modern programs as well as games increasingly uses cores past 4 (and more than 8 threads too). Leaving single core in there makes sense for applications that continue to use single core and allows you to compare the effective single core between different CPU's
 
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