Rocket Lake Review: A waste of sand...

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Mar 2021 at 17:14

pandem0nium said:
Brill, sounds good. I remember the 10400 being a bit lacklustre in reviews, and that was down to the ram being limited to 2666 on the boards you'd expect to run it on.

I have a 7600k in a second machine paired with a Z270m board. I could probably swap to the 11400 and the cheapest B560 for not much outlay.
Then again, I have a B550 board going unused that I needed to buy to get the 5600X. So it might be less hassle just to chuck a 3600 into that.
Well, or just leave it. It's only running an 480 8gb.

I just got hold of a Core i5 10400 and a B460 mini-ITX motherboard for under £170 for a secondary system. Hence there are deals to be had on CFL too,and CFL will also work in the B560 motherboards too.

pandem0nium · 30 Mar 2021 at 17:45

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I just got hold of a Core i5 10400 and a B460 mini-ITX motherboard for under £170 for a secondary system. Hence there are deals to be had on CFL too,and CFL will also work in the B560 motherboards too.

Comet lake you mean? Yeah, that is a good deal. Is that retail or second hand? Only limited to the slower ram.

£150 11400f + 73 ish for the cheapest B560 + whatever postage. Is probably what is do. It's a shame ocuk haven't got the cheaper boards.

Purgatory · 30 Mar 2021 at 17:45

Game · 30 Mar 2021 at 17:47

pandem0nium said:
Brill, sounds good. I remember the 10400 being a bit lacklustre in reviews, and that was down to the ram being limited to 2666 on the boards you'd expect to run it on.

I have a 7600k in a second machine paired with a Z270m board. I could probably swap to the 11400 and the cheapest B560 for not much outlay.
Then again, I have a B550 board going unused that I needed to buy to get the 5600X. So it might be less hassle just to chuck a 3600 into that.
Well, or just leave it. It's only running an 480 8gb.

Thats what I did board £105 cpu £100

N19h7m4r3 · 30 Mar 2021 at 17:52

Sersiously..what is the point in the 11900K? It's worse in general than the 10900K for gaming, temps, power, and most multicore work. It even costs more.

Minstadave · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:04

Purgatory said:

Prime95 uses AVX-512 so explains the lol power usage to some extent.

The real shocker is Cinebench multithreaded. A 5950X absolutely smashes the 11900K for performance at 180W whilst the 11900K chugs down 260W minimum to 420W! Mental.

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pandem0nium · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:07

Game said:
Thats what I did board £105 cpu £100

Sorry, what CPU and board are you talking about?

Game · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:22

pandem0nium said:
Sorry, what CPU and board are you talking about?

sorry my bad

asrock b560 i5-10400f

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:30

pandem0nium said:
Comet lake you mean? Yeah, that is a good deal. Is that retail or second hand? Only limited to the slower ram.

£150 11400f + 73 ish for the cheapest B560 + whatever postage. Is probably what is do. It's a shame ocuk haven't got the cheaper boards.

It is Coffeelake it was a retail CPU,and was the non-F so has the IGP enabled. The cheapest mini-ITX B560 motherboard was around £35 to £40 more,and the system only has a GTX960 so probably needs a better GPU now!

pandem0nium · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:45

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is Coffeelake it was a retail CPU,and was the non-F so has the IGP enabled. The cheapest mini-ITX B560 motherboard was around £35 to £40 more,and the system only has a GTX960 so probably needs a better GPU now!

Coffee lake is the 8th and 9th gen CPUs though. And those aren't compatible with B560 boards.

Hah, yeah good luck with a gpu. That'll be the tricky part.

Gerard · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:45

So rocketlake is essentially intel (yet again) throwing more voltage at a cpu to try and get more speed out of it. =/

tommoT.Striker · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:45

So what from what i've seen whereas Intel have previous managed to regain leads, progressively they've been unable to match AMD in each category. First workstation then gaming. The signs were in early leaks in year told not to expect too much, some did, but the BIOS update was pure wishful thinking and this is probably a release want Intel want to forget.

For users looking for new machine looks like the 11600K and 11700K to a lesser extent are decent purchases, even if AMD offers superior performance in most tasks. Good luck to those who are going for Rocket Lake, but Comet Lake is probably the more sensible Intel buy. All this shows is Zen 3 really was a standout product nearly 6 months old!

Gerard · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:50

tommoT.Striker said:
So what from what i've seen whereas Intel have previous managed to regain leads, progressively they've been unable to match AMD in each category. First workstation then gaming. The signs were in early leaks in year told not to expect too much, some did, but the BIOS update was pure wishful thinking and this is probably a release want Intel want to forget.

For users looking for new machine looks like the 11600K and 11700K to a lesser extent are decent purchases, even if AMD offers superior performance in most tasks. Good luck to those who are going for Rocket Lake, but Comet Lake is probably the more sensible Intel buy. All this shows to show Zen 3 really was a standout product nearly 6 months old!

Most of their wins really only come about with the "moar power" mode as well, and in some benchmarks their older cpu's come out on top.

rare · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:53

Those power consumption figures. Wow. It’s actually impressive Intel have been able to make something this fast given the process limitations when you think about it - but the power consumption shows you exactly why their lack of reduced process is killing them big time.

If Intel were on an equivalent process to AMD right now they would be extremely competitive. As it is only the mid range chips make any sense, and even then, it’s not like they are that compelling unless you really are an Intel fan/want one of the (admittedly nice looking) new motherboards.

Gerard · 30 Mar 2021 at 18:56

rare said:
Those power consumption figures. Wow. It’s actually impressive Intel have been able to make something this fast given the process limitations when you think about it - but the power consumption shows you exactly why their lack of reduced process is killing them big time.

If Intel were on an equivalent process to AMD right now they would be extremely competitive. As it is only the mid range chips make any sense, and even then, it’s not like they are that compelling unless you really are an Intel fan/want one of the (admittedly nice looking) new motherboards.

Yup, it's their process that's killing them. This was supposedly designed for 10nm and was "backported" to 14nm++++ so obviously not performing in line with what it would have done had they got their ffabs sorted out.

pandem0nium · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:08

Ive caved and ordered the 11400F + B560M-HDV.

£235, and some free games. Seems like good value for money.

Raiden85 · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:10

Shame, because if they managed to get it working on 10nm it probably would have been a pretty damn good CPU.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:20

pandem0nium said:
Coffee lake is the 8th and 9th gen CPUs though. And those aren't compatible with B560 boards.

Hah, yeah good luck with a gpu. That'll be the tricky part.

Sorry I meant to say Cannonlake - to many Lakes.

pandem0nium · 30 Mar 2021 at 21:25

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Sorry I meant to say Cannonlake - to many Lakes.

There are too many lakes, it's silly now tbh. It's comet lake in this case for 10th gen. It doesn't matter and it's just me being pedantic.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Mar 2021 at 22:11

pandem0nium said:
There are too many lakes, it's silly now tbh. It's comet lake in this case for 10th gen. It doesn't matter and it's just me being pedantic.

I wonder if Intel will make one more 14NM CPU line and called it Titaniclake!