Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

Socialdistancing · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:33

rubberduck said:
It doesn't seem like the jury would have deliberated the evidence to any great extent. Ultimately the world had already found Chauvin guilty of murdering GF and the trial was politicised by the media to such an extent that the chance of a 'fair' trial for Chauvin was basically zero. Having listened to a large portion of the evidence it is a stretch to say he is guilty of the murder charges, but anything less would have lead to uproar. Same with the appeal - everyone knows that any success in appealing the decision will be spun as institutionalised racism.

I honestly could not think of a better example where receiving a 'fair' trial is basically impossible.

I have to agree with you wholeheartedly.

rare · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:35

Ahleckz said:
No, but I suspect those that supported the findings of the report - that is, there is no institutional racism, fully back that report and I’ve seen posts stating that we must accept it. Whereas when a white police officer has been found guilty of murdering a black person then they think that is wrong and it must be overturned.
I find it funny that people state we must accept the findings of one report which suit their narrative whilst also stating that a another finding is wrong which goes against their narrative.

I also believe there are a large number of racists on this board.

Given the report was essentially the body of work of a largely ethnic group of professionals wouldn’t it be racist to claim they don’t know what they are talking about? At the same time, as I already mentioned, is it being suggested that the authors of the report are out and out racists? (Mental idea).

I think most people can see that the officer played a role in his death. It’s to what extent and to what level of culpability, and to whether that’s rooted in racism or not. Not withstanding other external factors such as the clear threats of mass violence and comments from high ranking politicians before the jury reached a decision. Which is pretty incredible.

I don’t think it’s beyond grasp to think the jury decided ultimately that it was best for everyone involved, best for their city, best for America, to throw the book at him.

watercooledman · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:36

oooooh this is not over by a long stretch.

Nasher · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:40

Ayahuasca said:
Pretty strange to see that as a win unless they hated him. All the money in the world doesn't bring him back nor will it keep their mental health in check.

Well he wont be brought up by a drug using criminal and already has a lifetime of money. But I suspect its all going to get ****** away before he is able to spend it.

jsmoke · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:42

This won't stop much, shootings will keep going on, love how people think they can dictate what Americans do.

Personally I put this as a freak death, I bet Chauvin has done this same manoeuvre plenty of times but the variables were just stacked up here for a death.

Just usual people trying to convert others to their way of doing things.

deuse · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:42

Socialdistancing · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:42

Nasher said:
Well he wont be brought up by a drug using criminal and already has a lifetime of money. But I suspect its all going to get ****** away before he is able to spend it.

Buying the child a Rolex seems the "in" thing to do.

Socialdistancing · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:46

deuse said:

Wow. Stark response. The plot thickens. Will Logic prevail. ??

Nasher · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:49

deuse said:

He is totally right. These charges are not going to stick. Its going to get reduced to a less serious crime or even a mistrial on appeal. Its a given. The prosecution was a mess and the verdict had outside influence (political influence even).

VincentHanna · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:51

Youtubers...Why do people constantly post Youtubers opinions?

"But he was a cop in Arizona!"

Great, he also makes loads of money selling merch and playing to his conservative subscribers.

Efour · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:53

Wow what a totally unexpected outcome... Lol he defffo deserved to go down on the last count but all 3.... Oh well. Whatever. He will bill killed in jail, and that's actually going to be murder.

I was on a jury for a 8 week case and the other 11 decided their verdicts on our first diliberation..... It was only me that wanted to even really stimulate some debate. It's actually disturbing if you think about it, so.... Meh

I'm hating everyone and everything being labeled as white supremacist if they speak out of line. Again... Nothing suprisingly out of the norm.

Time to turn off Facebook for a week.
Time to re evaluate why I considered the English language and retrain myself with modern definitions.

deuse · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:57

VincentHanna said:
Youtubers...Why do people constantly post Youtubers opinions?

You post yours

MookJong · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:58

I posted in the US Police thread but think it got deleted.

I was asking about how Chauvin is guilty of both murder and manslaughter? I don't remember ever seeing this happen before and to my mind one rules out the other. Does anyone know if this would also be possible under UK law or if this is somewhat a quirk of the US rules?

Murder implies he planned to cause Floyd to die, which means the other officers standing around could be accused of accessory to murder. I know in some US states just being present when a murder happens can mean a long sentence for you also. It will be interesting to see what happens to them now, as manslaughter only would probably mean the other officers walked free.

Socialdistancing · 21 Apr 2021 at 10:59

VincentHanna said:
Youtubers...Why do people constantly post Youtubers opinions?

"But he was a cop in Arizona!"

Great, he also makes loads of money selling merch and playing to his conservative subscribers.

You are probably correct on him.
However he is pointing out factual areas that stink. Observations many have seen in the trial and realised the joke of the error. He is telling you on experience what the usual case for appeal would be. Certainly makes great appeal points.

StriderX · 21 Apr 2021 at 11:00

MookJong said:
I posted in the US Police thread but think it got deleted.

I was asking about how Chauvin is guilty of both murder and manslaughter? I don't remember ever seeing this happen before and to my mind one rules out the other. Does anyone know if this would also be possible under UK law or if this is somewhat a quirk of the US rules?

Murder implies he planned to cause Floyd to die, which means the other officers standing around could be accused of accessory to murder. I know in some US states just being present when a murder happens can mean a long sentence for you also. It will be interesting to see hat happens to them now as manslaughter only would probably mean the other officers walked free.

The charges involved don't necessitate planning anything.

VincentHanna · 21 Apr 2021 at 11:01

deuse said:
You post yours

No, I really don't.

Politics on Youtube is cancer. YouTube algorithm just sends you down a one-way hole.

Socialdistancing said:
You are probably correct on him.
However he is pointing out factual areas that stink. Observations many have seen in the trial and realised the joke of the error. He is telling you on experience what the usual case for appeal would be. Certainly makes great appeal points.

He was a cop, not a lawyer. Why is he suddenly an expert on appeal proceedings?

Socialdistancing · 21 Apr 2021 at 11:05

VincentHanna said:
No, I really don't.

Politics on Youtube is cancer. YouTube algorithm just sends you down a one-way hole.

He was a cop, not a lawyer. Why is he suddenly an expert on appeal proceedings?

I would not say anyone has claimed he is an expert on the proceedings. However, he is telling you what the normal next step would be. From experience. To be a fair trial, this one should follow the same path with those points raised.
Could you explain why he has been convicted on both Murder and Manslaughter. ? Its awfully bazar.

Moley · 21 Apr 2021 at 11:05

VincentHanna said:
He was a cop, not a lawyer. Why is he suddenly an expert on appeal proceedings?

Maybe he's not, but maybe he's been involved in far more court cases than most of us on this forum and therefore might have some insight worth considering....

VincentHanna · 21 Apr 2021 at 11:09

Socialdistancing said:
Could you explain why he has been convicted on both Murder and Manslaughter. ? Its awfully bazar.

Why would I explain something I don't agree with?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34734039

VincentHanna said:
I don't agree he was guilty on all three charges, but then as I said before I would never want to be at the mercy of the US justice system.

Third degree possibly and manslaughter yes.

Socialdistancing · 21 Apr 2021 at 11:13

VincentHanna said:
Why would I explain something I don't agree with?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34734039

Fair enough. Apologises.

That said, you are acknowledging an error in the result (as many do). Paving way for a good appeal stance. This was one of the main points in the video posted.