No!, new born's body dumped in rubbish

mollymoo · 16 Oct 2009 at 15:53

Have I read it wrong or has someone put the baby in there before it was dead.

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 15:59

Tefal said:
She murdered a baby.

What?

Tefal · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:01

Brownpants said:
What?

well at some point between it being born and being thrown in teh trash it was killed. odds are it was the mother.

arknor said:
no

people did in the newborn raped thread.

EdGey · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:03

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:03

Tefal said:
well at some point between it being born and being thrown in teh trash it was killed. odds are it was the mother.

Or it died after a traumatic birth as stated in the article?

V4NT0M · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:03

Hitman_Leon said:
, no excuse, where is the support and education to prevent this?

To prevent what? Babies dying after birth or putting them in with the rubbish?

They don't know why it died yet, and each to their own when dealing with dead bodies, not sure if there's something illegal/unlawful about it though.

a1ex2001 · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:05

Hitman_Leon said:
If things were as good as they could be, people would take notice, agencies would take notice, and the vunerable would be protected.

The pregnancy was probably in a broken home, unmonitored/uneducated/scared young mother, uninterested parents, no educational support (school gave up trying).

Jump to conclusions much? You have no idea of the situation this girl was in so don't make such sweeping generalisations and wait for the facts.

Tefal said:
She murdered a baby.

That's a pretty good justification for saying horrible things about a person.

lets just hope it died before it was thrown in the trash compactor.

The article clearly states that the baby dies as a reult of the 'traumatic birth'?!?

titaniumx3 · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:11

knip said:
Oh for gods sake, it could have happened for any number of reasons, she could have been raped or abused and didnt know what the hell to do, so please stop saying such horrible things about someone you dont know.

Yes, there is a chance that it was completely out of her hands, but I find it difficult to see why she had to discard the baby in such an inhumane manner.

Why didn't she anonymously drop the baby off at a door step or something similiar? This is not a third world country and even those in the most desperate of situations will have some form of support available to them.

Tefal · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:11

Brownpants said:
Or it died after a traumatic birth as stated in the article?

it also says

The baby was not still-born and a post-mortem examination is being held to discover how he died.

All that means is it suffered some problems during birth but it doesn't mean it was the cause of death.

Although refusing it medical help witch could have saved it's life is just as bad.

Tefal · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:12

a1ex2001 said:
The article clearly states that the baby dies as a reult of the 'traumatic birth'?!?

no it says it died after a traumatic birth the cause of death is still unknown.

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:13

titaniumx3 said:
Yes, there is a chance that it was completely out of her hands, but I find it difficult to see why she had to discard the baby in such a inhumane manner.

Why didn't she anonymously drop the baby off at a door step or something similiar? This is not a third world country and even those in the most desperate of situations will have some form of support available to them.

Because it's not so easy to think logically when you've just had your baby die on you? Also, see various example above.

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:15

Tefal said:
it also says

All that means is it suffered some problems during birth but it doesn't mean it was the cause of death.

Although refusing it medical help witch could have saved it's life is just as bad.

I didn't say it had died because of the birth, just that it was thought to be the cause.

No reason to go accusing someone of murder when you don't really know the facts

titaniumx3 · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:16

Brownpants said:
Because it's not so easy to think logically when you've just had your baby die on you? Also, see various example above.

How much logic does it take to show compassion for your newborn baby?

Tefal · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:17

Skyfall said:
They don't know why it died yet, and each to their own when dealing with dead bodies, not sure if there's something illegal/unlawful about it though.

I think it's illegal to dispose of a human body in the trash.

laws on having deaths recorded etc too.

Tefal · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:18

Brownpants said:
No reason to go accusing someone of murder when you don't really know the facts

meh if it dies of complications with absolute no attempt to seek medical help, it's at least manslaughter through criminal negligence/neglect.

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:18

titaniumx3 said:
How much logic does it take to show compassion for your newborn baby?

I'm pretty sure you are underestimating how much someone might freak out if this happened to them

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:18

Tefal said:
meh if it dies of complications with absolute no attempt to seek medical help, it's at least manslaughter through criminal negligence/neglect.

Yeah, but you don't know this either

a1ex2001 · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:19

titaniumx3 said:
How much logic does it take to show compassion for your newborn baby?

Have you ever been in the situation or anything even close? people react in extreme ways to extreme events and sadly not all of those reactions are rational, appropriate or easy to understand.

titaniumx3 · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:21

Brownpants said:
I'm pretty sure you are underestimating how much someone might freak out if this happened to them

Similarly, I'm pretty sure you're underestimating how demented some people are.

Brownpants · 16 Oct 2009 at 16:21

titaniumx3 said:
Similarly, I'm pretty sure you're underestimating how demented some people are.

I'm starting to get an idea