tis true. FK452s have a good rep across all motor forums, never tried them myself and dont think i ever will as to me they sound too good to be true as essentially they are a budget tyre. im sure to the daily driver they will be more than capable anyhow and wouldnt notice the difference. Ive had the Vredesteins and foudn them super grippy in the wet which is what you want for long winter im sure we will get! think my next tyres are going to be PS2s which ive had on cars before or give the ContactSport3 a try. cant skimp on rubber tho as they essentially keep you on the road