James Bulger killer back in prison

Tombstone · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:31

xGaffner said:
Definition of murder: kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"

Taking someones life with the intention of doing so IS murder. No matter which way you look at it. Just because the armed forces are fighting to protect our country does not mean they aren't murderers if they kill some one. What would you call it? Generous killing? No, you takes someones life then you are a murderer by definition. End of.

Some examples would be acceptable though. Euthanasia for one, if my father has been withering away with disease and is terminal and asks that I assist him to go with dignity... that would fit the definition you have posted there. I would be killing him intentionally and it would be premeditated, but not sure I would feel that I was a murderer for doing it

jlss · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:31

xGaffner's for me = ignore list.

First one ive ever done congrats to you

xGaffner · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:32

Spektor said:
That is what I read that last post as.

Absolutely nothing i have said has broke any of OCUK's rules what so ever. Sorry that my opinion is causing a lot of controversy around here, but that's exactly what it is, an opinion. End of the day, what i said in my previous post is fact. No ifs or buts about it.

Biohazard · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:34

xGaffner said:
Absolutely nothing i have said has broke any of OCUK's rules what so ever. Sorry that my opinion is causing a lot of controversy around here, but that's exactly what it is, an opinion. End of the day, what i said in my previous post is fact. No ifs or buts about it.

Just because you say your opinion is fact does not make it so my challenged friend.

But by all means keep going..

xGaffner · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:36

Tombstone said:
Some examples would be acceptable though. Euthanasia for one, if my father has been withering away with disease and is terminal and asks that I assist him to go with dignity... that would fit the definition you have posted there. I would be killing him intentionally and it would be premeditated, but not sure I would feel that I was a murderer for doing it

Now this is an exception obviously, one would argue whether putting your father out of his misery is wrong or not, that is not my place to argue. However if you did do it, you would be a murderer. Would that make you a bad person? Not in my opinion no but that's not my decision. You would still be a murderer.

xGaffner · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:37

Biohazard said:
Just because you say your opinion is fact does not make it so my challenged friend.

But by all means keep going..

kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"

That is the definition of murder (googled "definition of murder") That is FACT. You can't say something that is backed up by a dictionary an opinion now can you.

Spektor · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:37

xGaffner said:
Absolutely nothing i have said has broke any of OCUK's rules what so ever. Sorry that my opinion is causing a lot of controversy around here, but that's exactly what it is, an opinion. End of the day, what i said in my previous post is fact. No ifs or buts about it.

So you think that a British solder when confronted with an enemy combatant who has to kill that combatant to either save himself or that of his friends is in a morally and ethically identical situation to a couple of evil ****ing kids who decide between them that it would be fun to abduct a toddler and torture him/her to death?

Get your ****ing head sorted out.

Strife212 · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:37

xGaffner said:
Definition of murder: kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"

Taking someones life with the intention of doing so IS murder. No matter which way you look at it. Just because the armed forces are fighting to protect our country does not mean they aren't murderers if they kill some one. What would you call it? Generous killing? No, you takes someones life then you are a murderer by definition. End of.

Kill unlawfully, being the part you missed. The laws of war allow killing enemy combatants.

Tombstone · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:39

xGaffner said:
Now this is an exception obviously, one would argue whether putting your father out of his misery is wrong or not, that is not my place to argue. However if you did do it, you would be a murderer. Would that make you a bad person? Not in my opinion no but that's not my decision. You would still be a murderer.

I think it depends upon the definition, there are several definitions, one of which is that murder is defined as killing with malice or inhumanly. Euthanasia is neither of those so one could argue that it isnt murder by definition. Just depends which of the several definitions are used.

^TANK^ · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:39

xGaffner said:
I'm a breastical with a mouth!

Fixed.

Also why was Jon Venables and Robert Thompson ever released :confused:

considering how brutal and twisted the crime was.

Biohazard · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:41

xGaffner said:
kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"

That is the definition of murder (googled "definition of murder") That is FACT. You can't say something that is backed up by a dictionary an opinion now can you.

O'rly?

well i got:

"The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse"

Can't argue against an internet backed up argument can you?

Did I forget to say, FACT.

knip · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:42

xGaffner said:
Absolutely nothing i have said has broke any of OCUK's rules what so ever. Sorry that my opinion is causing a lot of controversy around here, but that's exactly what it is, an opinion. End of the day, what i said in my previous post is fact. No ifs or buts about it.

Sorry but are you the other one of the pair trying to justify your actions or something, or are you just making a vain attempt to get lots of attention and wind everyone up? :confused:

MossyUK · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:42

life should mean life.

if the powers that be are too scared to put these utter scum bags to a long and painful death, then the least they should do is ensure they never have a single moment of freedom for the rest of their 'lives'.

xGaffner · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:46

Biohazard said:
O'rly?

well i got:

"The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse"

Can't argue against an internet backed up argument can you?

Did I forget to say, FACT.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...urder&aq=0&aqi=l1g6&aql=&oq=murder+definition

First definition. There seems to be more than one definition of murder. That means we are both right.

To everyone else: You seem to be pretty mad, just try to take some slow deep breaths, calm down.

Strife212 · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:49

xGaffner said:
To everyone else: You seem to be pretty mad, just try to take some slow deep breaths, calm down.

Gaygle · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:50

xGaffner said:
kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered"

That is the definition of murder (googled "definition of murder") That is FACT. You can't say something that is backed up by a dictionary an opinion now can you.

If you want a genuine definition, and not one taken out of "Ladybirds: Guide to Law", see below:

When a man of sound memory and of the age of discretion, unlawfully killeth within any country of the realm any reasonable creature in rerum natura under the King's Peace, . . . so as the party wounded, or hurt, et cetera, die of the wound or hurt, et cetera, within a year and a day after the same.

You are confusing the terms "killing" and "murdering".

Idiot.

Gaygle · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:52

xGaffner said:
First definition. There seems to be more than one definition of murder. That means we are both right.

How can you both be right?!?! You're arguing opposites!

Just for reference, this is the website you're getting your oh so reliable information off: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=murder

Idiot.

-Ad- · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:55

xGaffner said:
Just because someone has taken a life doesn't mean they are bad people, look at the military for instance. A lot of British soldiers take lives of other people (see: murder) but according to society that's ok because they are fighting a war. It doesn't matter, they are murderers.

And I thought half term had finished :/

In this day and age it will only take some time before their identities are found out. Those seraching for them will have far more drive and determination than those doing their shifts on the job trying to protect their identities.

Cannot wait!

SexyGreyFox · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:55

xGaffner is my new favourite poster (except for Magick).

Longbow · 2 Mar 2010 at 22:57

dmpoole said:
xGaffner is my new favourite poster (except for Magick).

Well Magick is banned and thus doesn't post any more anyway. So xGaffner takes the #1 spot.

Edit: Teki187 was, not magick.