Who decides what is acceptable?

[Zarf]

It's because People are Stupid. Labour have the whole thing sewn up, They've realised that politics is just a popularity game so they spend their time in office bribing the proles to look the other way on their spin and broken promises by flogging our gold reserves and running a deficit during the boom years. Then when the Torys are subbed in to take action to prevent the country collapsing under this weight of debt Labour has an easy time branding them as callous monsters, and ensuring that they'll be back in at the next election. It works because people are too stupid to remember more than a few months in the past. Most of them just vote whichever way Murdoch wants them to anyway.

It's a beautifully elegant strategy on Labours part, just a shame that it's all just a game to them, The good of the country is secondary to "winning the game".

This is why I'm pretty pleased with the coalition, They are taking action with the difficult decisions for the health of the country even though it's killing their chances of being re-elected.

 

[mattyfez]

Today in London people were yelling 'TORY SCUM, TORY SCUM'. Well... I fell if I had been yelling 'LABOUR SCUM, LABOUR SCUM' at a protest I'd have been judged far more harshly. Why is this?

It is pretty obvious, making an effort to better yourself is, like totaly facist, man.

 

[mattyfez]

elegant strategy on Labours part, just a shame that it's all just a game to them, The good of the country is secondary to "winning the game".

I wouldnt describe it as elegant, I think 'treachery' would be more appropriate.

 

[Mojo]

Today in London people were yelling 'TORY SCUM, TORY SCUM'. Well... I fell if I had been yelling 'LABOUR SCUM, LABOUR SCUM' at a protest I'd have been judged far more harshly. Why is this?

Also AFAIK only about 5% of people in Lonon have red hair while 15% are black. So gingers are more of a minority than blacks. No protection for the gingers that I know of

That's because the Tories are posh scum! Many of their policies with regards to reducing deficit I agree with. However, making a University education depend on one's monetary resources is utterly wrong. It implies that an individual with the IQ of a glass of water and rich parents could get into University, as opposed to a very intelligent individual who's parents live on the margin. that said, I'm also blaming the people of this country. People voted Tory and they got Tory. What did they expect?

 

[muon]

^^^

Very intelligent person without a penny, can afford university.

Also Browne's recommendations would probably have been implemented by Labour anyway. You know why? Because they make sense.

A good summary by someone who specialises in higher education finance

http://econ.lse.ac.uk/staff/nb/Barr_Browne_Review_101016.pdf

Point 21 covers your concern.

 

[Mojo]

^^^

Very intelligent person without a penny, can afford university.

Also Browne's recommendations would probably have been implemented by Labour anyway. You know why? Because they make sense.

A good summary by someone who specialises in higher education finance

http://econ.lse.ac.uk/staff/nb/Barr_Browne_Review_101016.pdf

Point 21 covers your concern.

I have to admit Ghost101 that that article does put some of my fears to rest. As long as the Tories set rates that are reflective of a family's ability to support their children in education ie make the rich pay through the nose and ensure those of reduced means have access to performance based bursaries , I would not complain at such rises. I wouldn't support them, but I would not object to them to such a degree.

 

[Biohazard]

Labour get back in, and spend again, then we have another crisis, and then we vote the conservatives back in to fix it.

The conservatives have had their own economic failings too.

They are not financial wizzkids.

 

[SMN]

I think the real question is; Who watches the watchmen?

 

[Vonhelmet]

I think the real question is; Who watches the watchmen?

We all do. Or we're supposed to anyway. Except most people care more about The X Factor than politics. Bread and circuses...

 

[starfighter]

Today in London people were yelling 'TORY SCUM, TORY SCUM'. Well... I fell if I had been yelling 'LABOUR SCUM, LABOUR SCUM' at a protest I'd have been judged far more harshly. Why is this?

Also AFAIK only about 5% of people in Lonon have red hair while 15% are black. So gingers are more of a minority than blacks. No protection for the gingers that I know of

Because Labour don't x3 the cost of university.

As crap as Labour are atleast they want everyone to stand a decent chance in life. I am pretty right wing but find once again that the Tories have gone too far. Just like Labour did.

I agree Uni should be a choice instead of everyone going regardless of money/intelligence and the best way to do this is to subsidise it less so people make a decision as to whether it is going to be worth it. but 3x as much. 2x would be more reasonable perhaps.

People wouldn't have taken offence at you, just been like wtf are you shouting that for.

 

[ThomasTheTankEngine]

Because Labour don't x3 the cost of university.

As crap as Labour are atleast they want everyone to stand a decent chance in life. I am pretty right wing but find once again that the Tories have gone too far. Just like Labour did.

I agree Uni should be a choice instead of everyone going regardless of money/intelligence and the best way to do this is to subsidise it less so people make a decision as to whether it is going to be worth it. but 3x as much. 2x would be more reasonable perhaps.

People wouldn't have taken offence at you, just been like wtf are you shouting that for.

Labour were the ones that introduced tuition fees in the first place.

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

Labour were the ones that introduced tuition fees in the first place.

Shh, don't use facts to prove your point.

 

[Bleek]

Where do these protesting morons think the government will find the money? Cuts are needed everywhere and aside from national health that's pretty much what's going to happen, let's hope it's not too little too late - Labour should have been doing this years ago!

If the armed forces are being reduced the students have no argument, that in itself sets a precedent. Those students should be in school anyway, no sympathy.

 

[Tefal]

Whoever has the bigger gun.

 

[eatcustard]

My rant is

Why should the tax payer, pay for average intelligence kids, to go to Uni, to do a pointless degree then flip burgers in Mac Ds.

Far to many go there as it is, and to be honest a good chunk of them are not blessed with a high IQ.

Now back on topic.
The PC brigade, and minorities seem to decide whats acceptable or not.

 

[Cosimo]

Whoever has the bigger gun.

If only it was as easy as that.

 

[Bleek]

If only it was as easy as that.

Move to America.

 

[starfighter]

Labour were the ones that introduced tuition fees in the first place.

I don't have a problem with tuition fees. was a good move imho.

 

[taximike]

I don't understand how on earth the policy can be said to favour the wealthy? I mean - everyone gets the same loan to cover all the fees. Why would coming from a poor family have any effect on your ability to pay it back? If you are capable enough to need to go to university then you will capable enough to earn a decent salary to pay it back in very little time.

If this puts a few people off who really are not going to university to learn but just to stall their lives for 3 years then hooray. It's a pretty massive sign something is wrong if graduates are taking minimum wage jobs. We have too many peolpe at uni at the moment! 50% at university??

 

[britboy4321]

I don't understand how on earth the policy can be said to favour the wealthy?

Because wealthy people just pay the money (or mumsy does) without needing to take the loan at all, meaning fewer of them will reject university on cost?