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So no 580 in stcok and over £300 for a 570 well done Nvidia

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I was just having a browse around to see if I should shifting to a faster card, since I'd like to start playing a few of my games with more details on, although my 5770 does me fine it does seem to struggle a bit at 1920x1200 with some titles.

I was looking back at DM's first post and he quoted the 6850 as best price performance, and it certainly looks that way, the GTX 570 is £270 for one card, the GTX 470 is £360 for two SLI'd and the 6850 is only £272 for a Crossfire pair.

Hmmm, must weight this option up since two cards would mean I'd have to let go of my trusty 430W PSU. So making this not as cheap as it would appear.

Really can't see Nvidia being able to sustain this price for long given the inevitable bashing it it's going to take next week, and I mean in price not performance.
 
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Referring to those flaming Roff regarding his fairly inauspicious post, what exactly was the purpose of that exercise? Maybe a sacrifice would have made you feel better?

Pointless trolling or what lol.
 
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I'm really happy with my single card that cost me more than buying two cards that would have given me better performance. Is that crazy? ;)
 
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I was just having a browse around to see if I should shifting to a faster card, since I'd like to start playing a few of my games with more details on, although my 5770 does me fine it does seem to struggle a bit at 1920x1200 with some titles.

I was looking back at DM's first post and he quoted the 6850 as best price performance, and it certainly looks that way, the GTX 570 is £270 for one card, the GTX 470 is £360 for two SLI'd and the 6850 is only £272 for a Crossfire pair.

Hmmm, must weight this option up since two cards would mean I'd have to let go of my trusty 430W PSU. So making this not as cheap as it would appear.

Really can't see Nvidia being able to sustain this price for long given the inevitable bashing it it's going to take next week, and I mean in price not performance.

Why not look in to adding another 5770 ?
Not sure what it would be like but it would be very cheap if the performance is there.
 
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It certainly wouldn't appeal to those with GTX 470/480s in all honestly I dont think.
Very happy with my 470, it's amazed me people with the 480 new £440 who took a good loss on their 480's to get the 580, a two month old 480 about £250 or less in MM. Now we have the 570 which OC,d to near a 580 which will again have an effect on 480,s second hand price and the sale's of 580's

So l wonder how many will cancel their 580 order or change their mind's and go for the 570.
 
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^ Yeah I couldn't agree more. If prices of the 570s settle to around £250ish it'll destroy 580 sales. (Obviously apart from those who need to have fastest card on the market). Can't wait to see some non-reference designs of the 570 and how they perform when overclocked.
 
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You can pick up GTX470's for £190 delivered, £180inc del in certain cases, and all you need to do is overclock the GTX470 to GTX570 speeds you can have almost the same performance. Sure you get the full on heat and noise problems, but it still makes the other Fermi cards waaay over priced.

Nvidia should have just directly replaced the re branded cards with the old. At £220 and £320 they might just about make sense to some people. £320 and £450 for what are nothing more than quieter versions of the old cards this late in the game is laughable.
 
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Normally the gap between 580/570gtx would have been a lot bigger, but usually the 580gtx would be 70-80% faster than the 480gtx, and the 570gtx would still be 45-50% faster than a 480gtx and so value of 580/570gtx wouldn't be quite so bad, still it does seem yields of full 512sp parts aren't, well, they aren't 5870 type yields, and judging by the Nvidia sites suggesting pretty large stocks of 6970/6950's(though fud misintepreted more 6970/6950's, it won't be) suggests 580gtx yields vs 6970 yields are still a bit of a joke.

Because the 480-580gtx are so close, because its a speed bump not a new generation, the 570gtx had to be much higher clock speed than they wanted, which is why its so close to the 580gtx.

The 580gtx has 6% more shaders, and 10% clock speed over 480gtx, the 570gtx has 6% more shaders, and 20% more clock speed over a 470gtx. Thats why normally, or often a speed bump on the same process normally on brings ONE top end card, 4890. A speed bump with a process drop means you get 285/275/260gtx.

Its all a bit of a mess, anyway the same lack of increase in speed thats caused the 570gtx to be closer than they want, also means EOL cards are so close in performance the cost makes them hugely better value cards. Again normally you'd have EOL 470gtx pricing at £180, but the £300 570gtx, would also be 60-70% faster than it so the prices still made sense.
 
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You can't tell me that people who bought a 8800gtx were not only very happy with their initial performance but every time a new card came out, their performance was still up there amongst the best (or still better in some cases)?

Agree with this, the 8800 gtx had a very long reign as a top tier card, what id call good value for money.

For £310, ,my gtx470's were a steal and it really had to be bought but there was always an something in the back of my mind which said they might still be a bad buy if Nvidia or ATI released a sub £300 single card with better performance than gtx470's in SLI.
For £259.00, (after selling my sli 275s), the 470's were a bargain, they overclock well, they can run hot, but this can be sorted rather easily with a bit of simple modding, tbh i havent been that impressed with the 570's, mainly as i think theyre way over priced., but i suppose that is to be expected on release.
 
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Got my 580gtx on release day for just under £400, did any of you lot grab the Asus ones that Amazon wronly priced at £300, a mate ordered 3 but only one arrived then he got an email explaining due to an error the order for his other 2 had been cancelled. He had already sold it by then anticipating keeping one of the other 2.

Mine is trhe best card ive had since my Asus 8800GTX (which is still running strong).
 
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Well TSMC will start to dabble with 28nm some time around summer, Nvidia will get chips back and testing will take them to around winter time, add design tweaks, production ramping and retail work. I would say 15-18 months before we see the 600 cards.

Nah, Kepler (28nm) will be here by middle to end of 2011. :)
 
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What speed does the 480 need to be running at to get to 580 speeds? I have a zalman VF3000 on my 480 and its very quiet.

I never owned a 480gtx but reading tests the architecture changes in the 580 as well as the speed bump make it a fair bit faster. I only know ive not even botherd to OC mine (yet) and its that silent that i might not (but prob will) watercool it. If you use MSI afterburner to tweek the fan profile, it sits at a silent (from my chair 3 feet away) 60C during a heavy OFP2 session at mex settings @ 1900x1200.
 
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Nah, Kepler (28nm) will be here by middle to end of 2011. :)

Not in 6 months of Sundays will Nvidia get cards out in the summer IMO :) If they Forest Gump every step of the development, they Might be able to get cards out before the end of the year, but I can't see it TBH.

Nvidia might paper launch the 600's early, but that will just be to buy some time from the market analysts.
 
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Also noted new 480 for £235 :)

Hi guys,

Yes, found that too. It is for inno3d. Never had this brand, googled inno3d for opinion and plenty of people do not recommend this brand. I wonder if it is still worth the risk?
I am at the point, where I have to change my 8800GT finally. This offer is really tempting, but I can have this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-066-GI&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1810
or even cheaper this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-104-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1810
I understand both of them easily overclock to 480gtx performance and stay much cooler and quieter.
I just don't know what to do:confused:
 
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