Police should commute in uniform
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Doesn't this sort of assume that off duty police officers just ignore crime if they happen to be out of uniform when they see it?
Actually they get free travel on the Tube across the board. For overland train travel they have to opt in to the ATOC (Assosciation of Train Operating Companies) travel scheme which covers a good portion north of the city and all of the south east. 33k out of 35k Officers did this year. They pay a couple of hundred pounds to cover the tax the government levies on the Met for the perk and get a small card issued to them which they must carry on all journeys. I know because I worked on the project launch. For some Officers this could mean a saving of a few hundred pounds. The most I heard about someone saving overland was 4 grand. It all depends on where you live. It's a great perk no matter what wage you are on. (BTW a 10 year PC would earn around 37-40k not counting any overtime)
On the Tube or overland the companies involved offer the perk on the condition that Officers travelling step in if they come across any incident. That said, they are trained to conduct a risk assesment as a first step.
I've commuted (train and tube and the odd bus) for the best part of 25 years and I've seen 3 incidents which would have warranted someone stepping in. Having said that, if I was a copper these days, I probably wouldn't want to without the PPE gear. I wouldn't be hugely in favour of overt travel. Although they are morally obliged I think they are entitled to a normal life outside work hours (as much as possible), the same as anyone else.
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Soldato
So we ask them if they'd be willing to take a dock in wages, or wear their uniform in their personal life - let them decide.
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From friends in London, I gather that the fare-dodging Police are still allowed through the barriers on London Underground on production of their identification - it would be a nice idea if this were ONLY to apply if they were in uniformThe Times said:
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What do you disagree with exactly and I'll elaborate?
Soldato
well the private sector have been doing that for the past 5 years, effectively. No cost of living increases, some reductions in wages so yes, thats exactly what i have done.
But the sentiment of my posts isn't actually cut their pay, its "lets not abuse them as free/cheap labour". If you read my post on the previous page you'll see that. I went on to say if we need the extra police we should hire them. The cut-pay comment was a tongue in cheek response to the ludicrous comment about having no money. If commuting in uniform has a similar effect to employing extra police give the officer the option of doing that, oir pay them a 75% reduced hourly rate for doing so.
But the sentiment of my posts isn't actually cut their pay, its "lets not abuse them as free/cheap labour". If you read my post on the previous page you'll see that. I went on to say if we need the extra police we should hire them. The cut-pay comment was a tongue in cheek response to the ludicrous comment about having no money. If commuting in uniform has a similar effect to employing extra police give the officer the option of doing that, oir pay them a 75% reduced hourly rate for doing so.
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More fool you. I certainly wouldn't be agreeing to an increased workload without an increased compensation package.
But, I agree, if we need more Police then we should employ them. What we definitely shouldn't be doing in punishing existing staff for not working outside of their contracted hours.
Soldato
Are they being paid for it?
Soldato
More fool me? I wouldn't worry too much about me 
doing just fine with my quarterly commission cheques!
Cost of living increases, below the rate of inflation, are more common now than they have ever been, and are an effectual pay drop. I doubt i'd get an equivalent package in the public sector, aside from the excellent pensions.
doing just fine with my quarterly commission cheques! Cost of living increases, below the rate of inflation, are more common now than they have ever been, and are an effectual pay drop. I doubt i'd get an equivalent package in the public sector, aside from the excellent pensions.
More fool me? I wouldn't worry too much about me
Good good, as am I
I just thought you might be one of these people who doesn't negotiate an increase in base salary to reflect the increase in living.Deleted member 66701
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It's not really a choice is it?
That's like me asking if you'd prefer your arm or you leg to be cut off. I should expect the answer would be "none, if it all the same to you thanks!".
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Soldato
i'm not gonna explain the inflammatory statement again, read the to-and-fro'ing Basher and i had a few posts up...
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I would imagine most Police Officers would phone the police if they see crime occurring rather than directly intervening - depending on the nature of the crime, of course.
They would then have to be paid for their commute, which would cost quite a lot.
Also you are NOT going to have a lot of happy bobbies on the tube in the summer when temperatures reach above the temperature you are legally allowed to transport cattle at.
Also you are NOT going to have a lot of happy bobbies on the tube in the summer when temperatures reach above the temperature you are legally allowed to transport cattle at.
From friends in London, I gather that the fare-dodging Police are still allowed through the barriers on London Underground on production of their identification - it would be a nice idea if this were ONLY to apply if they were in uniform
Nope, we have to pay monthly for this now. It isn't a free perk anymore.
As for the idea of wearing uniform to and from work - It won't happen. It's far too dangerous especially if we're expected to do it without personal protection equipment. You might get away with it in some close-knit community hidden away in rural England but as for inner-city policing it's too much of a risk, especially in the current climate.
Another bizzare idea to be ignored.
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