Almost Titanic 2

HEADRAT · 18 Jan 2012 at 14:57

When you see the size of the hole in the side of the ship it's not surprising it sunk

PiKe · 18 Jan 2012 at 14:58

HEADRAT said:
When you see the size of the hole in the side of the ship it's not surprising it sunk

That's quite a gash.

wordy · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:13

It's a flippin huge gash but even if it holed more than 1 compartment those should still have been sealed. You'd expect the engineers to have some sort of grasp of damage control at least. Like I say it's not going to have damage control like a warship but there's been no mention of the crew at least trying to stop the flooding.

MooMoo444 · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:14

PiKe said:
That's quite a gash.

I've seen bigger gashes.

PiKe · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:16

wordy said:
It's a flippin huge gash but even if it holed more than 1 compartment those should still have been sealed. You'd expect the engineers to have some sort of grasp of damage control at least. Like I say it's not going to have damage control like a warship but there's been no mention of the crew at least trying to stop the flooding.

I don't think the crew were well versed on "What to do if the idiot caption steers the ship into a rock them promptly buggers off to catch a taxi home".

The Funktopus · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:23

MooMoo444 said:
I've seen bigger gashes.

And I'll bet you could have cartwheeled in & out of those as well.

wordy said:
It's a flippin huge gash but even if it holed more than 1 compartment those should still have been sealed. You'd expect the engineers to have some sort of grasp of damage control at least. Like I say it's not going to have damage control like a warship but there's been no mention of the crew at least trying to stop the flooding.

The line I work for owned the MV Tricolor,a car carrier that was lost following a collision in the English Channel during 2002. When I was at sea between August and December, the chief engineer of the vessel I was on, Tortugas knew the chief engineer aboard Tricolor during the disaster, and he described a torrent of water so strong flooding into the engine room that there simply wasn't possible to close watertight doors. The water will literally gush into a hole below the water line with pretty much the entire weight of the ocean behind it. There's no stopping it unless it's a relatively small hole, and anyone going down into it to play heroics is going to get taken off their feet and drowned in it. There's only so much you can do. And besides, on Tortugas at least, the engine room was entirely open plan across several decks, save a pair of fireproof doors between the steering gear room, and up out of the funnel stack and into the main no.5 car deck. Compartmentalisation on commercial ships is minimal when compared to a warship, and besides, warships will keep watertight doors closed when going to general quarters, ready for combat, rather than trying to wrest them shut after the vessel is holed.

wordy · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:24

PiKe said:
I don't think the crew were well versed on "What to do if the idiot caption steers the ship into a rock them promptly buggers off to catch a taxi home".

Yeah good point!

Django x2 · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:46

I wonder how many of the rescue divers are pocketing the 1,000s of Euros which will have been onboad. There's a lot of money in salvage

Tobeornottobe · 18 Jan 2012 at 15:54

I read one report of the Captain taking time to empty the safe before he buggered off.

Tobeornottobe · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:04

The ship hit the rocks at 2000. It was not until 0000 that the ship rolled over, and evacuation became infinitely more difficult.

I think the performance standard for full evacuation is 30minutes for a passenger ship, and if this had started soon after the ship the rocks it could have been achievable, as the sea was calm.

After the hull was holed the Captain should have realised the gravity of the situation, and commenced evacuation there and then. But he didn't with fatal consequences for some.

MooMoo444 · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:05

Perhaps he was just in his dinghy following the cruiseliner just incase something happened.

cainer · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:13

Tobeornottobe said:
The ship hit the rocks at 2000. It was not until 0000 that the ship rolled over, and evacuation became infinitely more difficult.

I think the performance standard for full evacuation is 30minutes for a passenger ship, and if this had started soon after the ship the rocks it could have been achievable, as the sea was calm.

After the hull was holed the Captain should have realised the gravity of the situation, and commenced evacuation there and then. But he didn't with fatal consequences for some.

timeline here

(taken from fadetoblack's link http://www.themysteryworld.com/2012/01/inside-sinking-costa-concordia-cruise.html )

EDIT: hmm, says only 5 minutes from hitting the rocks to the power going off.. thought it was longer than that?

matt d938 · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:27

Is this ship a complete write off now?

I saw this ship in port in Barcelona last year next to its sister ship the Deliziosa (sp)

Quite sad really, not just for the loss of life but maybe the end of line for the ship too

marmalade · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:35

A good Dutch salvage team may be able to remove her in one piece. The oil must be removed - check the side on which the ship is lying for damage - replate the hole on the seaward side - pump out the water and hopefully rebalance the ship. It is unfortunate there is not a nice sandy bottom on which she could be temporarily rested and checked over. Everything at present is uncertain.

PiKe · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:37

What would have been in the area in which the hull was ripped into?

Damien. · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:46

PiKe said:
What would have been in the area in which the hull was ripped into?

Engines possibly.

This has been posted on BBC

PiKe · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:49

How on earth does lifting work, wouldn't it just pull the barge closer to the ship?

Damien. · 18 Jan 2012 at 16:52

I don't know if above image would work. They would have no where to attach the anchor cable.

I am sure they have said the ship is resting on an edge, where its at risk of falling down a 100m drop?

TaKeN · 18 Jan 2012 at 17:01

I guess the crane ship has some hellish propullsion to counteract the force of trying to right the ship. Either that or a big anchor

Sime · 18 Jan 2012 at 17:02

Hope they do a live feed if they do attempt to recover it.

Could be a really interesting watch!