Assange to go!
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He's not currently streaming live, the current broadcast is a recording from a while ago. According to his Twitter stream his connection has dropped but he'll be back soon - http://es.twitter.com/alburyj
My point was never that it's not a law in Sweden. My point was and is that it's not within the spirit of the European arrest warrant because the warrant assumes parity amongst 'serious' offences throughout Europe; parity that is not present for this offence. I'm not sure whether you agree or not with this point?
If you disagree with my analysis of the actual case you might want to back it up with some legal analysis and/or a quote from the case that shows my analysis to be flawed and/or wrong. The article you linked to talks of him holding Woman A down. I say the fact that it fails to mention that this was part of an act that, within the UK and America, would be seen as consensual (the so called 'sleep sex'), is a relatively important point to miss out making it poor reporting. Do you disagree?
If you disagree with my analysis of the actual case you might want to back it up with some legal analysis and/or a quote from the case that shows my analysis to be flawed and/or wrong. The article you linked to talks of him holding Woman A down. I say the fact that it fails to mention that this was part of an act that, within the UK and America, would be seen as consensual (the so called 'sleep sex'), is a relatively important point to miss out making it poor reporting. Do you disagree?
aside from possible extradition to the US of course...
but you can keep pretending that his reluctance to appear is just about a rape allegation
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19259623
At a news conference in Quito on Wednesday, Mr Patino said a letter from the UK government was delivered through a British embassy official.
"Today we received from the United Kingdom an express threat, in writing, that they might storm our Embassy in London if we don't hand over Julian Assange," he said.
"Ecuador rejects in the most emphatic terms the explicit threat of the British official communication."
He said such a threat was "improper of a democratic, civilized and rule abiding country".
"If the measure announced in the British official communication is enacted, it will be interpreted by Ecuador as an unacceptable, unfriendly and hostile act and as an attempt against our sovereignty. It would force us to respond," he said.
On Monday, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa said a decision would be made this week after he held a meeting with his advisers.
Mr Patino told reporters the decision had been made and an announcement would be issued on Thursday morning, at 07:00 Ecuadorian time (13:00 BST).
At a news conference in Quito on Wednesday, Mr Patino said a letter from the UK government was delivered through a British embassy official.
"Today we received from the United Kingdom an express threat, in writing, that they might storm our Embassy in London if we don't hand over Julian Assange," he said.
"Ecuador rejects in the most emphatic terms the explicit threat of the British official communication."
He said such a threat was "improper of a democratic, civilized and rule abiding country".
"If the measure announced in the British official communication is enacted, it will be interpreted by Ecuador as an unacceptable, unfriendly and hostile act and as an attempt against our sovereignty. It would force us to respond," he said.
On Monday, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa said a decision would be made this week after he held a meeting with his advisers.
Mr Patino told reporters the decision had been made and an announcement would be issued on Thursday morning, at 07:00 Ecuadorian time (13:00 BST).
Jurisdiction? who cares about Jurisdiction, there are plenty of ways to get rid of something if you happen to be named the USA.
All of which cannot be done while Assange is currently in the UK, too obvious, Look it the Litvinenko case, nobody knew him whatsoever, he barely had any attention even after the fact.
Of course that was a Russian Agent taking down another one, which does make it different but it still stands as an example.
He can be charged with espionage by proxy and sabotage by proxy, both of which would normally mean a life sentence (even if that Mossad agent years ago got away with, which i wont even begin bothering with), he will likely be sentenced to a federal prison and be moved in and out to one of the CIA black sites to keep the media from asking anything "harmful".
The Private was tortured for treason, i can only imagine what they will do with Assange, He would probably better off killing the President of China.
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All this talk of storming the Embassy is irrelevant because even if Assange is granted asylum he then has two options....
1) Leave the Embassy to head for the Airport at which point he enters 'British soil' and can be arrested.
2) Stay in the Embassy for the rest of his life (or until teleportation is invented) which is effectively self imprisonment anyway.
1) Leave the Embassy to head for the Airport at which point he enters 'British soil' and can be arrested.
2) Stay in the Embassy for the rest of his life (or until teleportation is invented) which is effectively self imprisonment anyway.
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I read that as long as the diplomat is touching him, he is still on Ecuadorian land so the police cannot do anything.
If they did arrest him while he was under asylum it would completely backfire on England, asylums exist for a very good reason.
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Where did you read this? Doesn't sound right to me. Besides Rueters seems to disagree...
From another forum talking about people claiming asylum in other countries and the diplomat would have to be touching the person the whole time, probably not true
But he would have immunity when he is in the vehicle apparently.
There's so much different information, don't know what to believe tbh.
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Not really, some tiny tinpot country would say how terrible we are maybe close our embassy, some guardian readers would say how terrible we are, the odd head of state of some country may say how terrible we are, then the world will keep on turning and no one of importance will care.
as was mentioned up the page, the Russians brought in nuclear material then poisoned a man in public on British soil with it, what happened out of all that?
oh yeah we said "ooo how terrible are the Russians?" then the world kept on turning.
No country is going to do anything to threaten it's economy over one man no one really gives a **** about or the diplomatic rights of a country that has less money than some individuals.
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True, oh well this guy thinks there is no hope of anything happening
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/20/julian-assange-not-exempt-uk-law
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As stated in the above Guardian article, diplomatic immunity does not cover harboring fugitives from justice.
Also I'm not sure that diplomatic immunity extends to embassy vehicles anyway. The Hague, for example, have impounded diplomats cars in the past because they were using their immunity to commit traffic violations. They couldn't arrest the diplomats so they just impounded their cars instead. Now if the vehicles were 'part of foreign soil' they wouldn't be able to do that.
Thanks for that thoughtful addition.
At least he posts vaguely amusing bull-****.
Even if he is a sex offender!
Would it be any easier for Sweden to extradite him to the US than for us to do it?
Another great addition, a slur as well.
Kudos, to be honest I don't even care for the guy, it doesn't really matter to me what happens to him, he ran an open book operation, It was bound to come down on him.
Most whistle-blowing occurs at someone's benefit, it is more blackmail than it is revealing the truth about the global political system.
When it benefits no one, everyone becomes your enemy, simple fact.