DLA to PIP transition confusion. (Thread necro'd from 2013)

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Not after medical advice, just grammatical advice :p

Im unsure as to what this is telling me:

How might I be affected?

If you’re aged 16 to 64 on 8 April 2013 then you’ll be
affected by the introduction of Personal Independence
Payment, even if you get an indefinite or lifetime award of
Disability Living Allowance.

Personal Independence Payment is being introduced in stages
over a number of years. That means most people who receive
Disability Living Allowance now will not be affected in the
near future. But it is important that you know how and when
you might be affected.

  •  If there are changes in how your health condition or
    disability affects you
    on or after 7 October 2013 then
    you’ll be asked to make a claim for Personal
    Independence Payment. When you report the change of
    needs we’ll explain what will happen next.

     If your existing Disability Living Allowance award is
    due to end
    , or be reviewed, on or after 7 October
    2013, and you’ve not already received a renewal letter
    about your Disability Living Allowance, then you’ll be
    asked to make a claim for Personal Independence
    Payment. We’ll write to you in plenty of time if you
    need to take any action. You don’t need to contact us
    now.

    Everyone else in receipt of Disability Living
    Allowance will not be contacted until 2015 or later
    ,
    unless you report a change in how your health
    condition or disability affects you, or if your award
    is due to end as above. We’ll write to you in plenty
    of time to explain. You don’t need to contact us now.

If, after we contact you about claiming Personal
Independence Payment, you decide to apply, your Disability
Living Allowance will continue to be paid until we make a
decision about your claim. If you decide not to apply for
Personal Independence Payment, your Disability Living
Allowance will end.

I have indefinite payment and am 16-63 so fall under the third one, does this mean the will not bother to contact me until 2015, and carry on paying my DLA until then, then I will have to apply for PIP? have I got that right? Thanks.
 
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Just like the Disiabilty to ESA movement, it's designed to confuse so when you're booted off because ATOS say you don't need it, you don't know how to appeal it.

All under the guise of trying to tackle benefit fraud when really it's about cost-cutting.
 
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yes i hate ATOS, my girlfriend had an assessment by the ATOS, she told the ATOS she need an interpreter and ATOS REFUSED and demanded her to in the interview. she decided to go. failed the assessment.

appealed cos there was no interpreter...guess what. she won the appeal. pathetic
 
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Not after medical advice, just grammatical advice :p

Im unsure as to what this is telling me:



I have indefinite payment and am 16-63 so fall under the third one, does this mean the will not bother to contact me until 2015, and carry on paying my DLA until then, then I will have to apply for PIP? have I got that right? Thanks.
You get contacted in 2015 and will have to apply for PIP like everyone else there is no automatic transfer process.
indefinite DLA does not mean you will get PIP.
if you have a mental disability such as autism (I do) then you should not need to attend a face to face interview as long as you have sufficient medical evidence. (some autistic sectrum disorder charity/group lobbied for that)

DLA was easy for me, sent my form off and 4 days later was told I had been warded it for indefinite :D
someone from adult services filled all mine out though.
PIP is going to be a nightmare I can imagine them trying to get as many people off it as possible.
I've got a really understanding GP and a report from a pyschologist & nurse consultant specialised in autism but I know for a fact PIP is going to be a pain in the anus....

I work so don't get ESA but know a lot about how stupid ATOS are..
they only care about physical disabilities they don't give a crap if you are rainman... I've heard of people getting ZERO points for the medical assessment but at the tribunal they got 50points...
atos are a joke
 
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I have the lifetime award too due to very low vision, one eye only and lost a lot of my hearing. When I get the PIP and apply for that, will that be lifetime too? I mean, it's not like I'm magically going to grow my blind eye back into a real eye is it? Granted my condition is stable but it can only get worse, not better, so I think it's unfair that I have to re-apply. I'll always be registered partially sighted and partially hearing, and I'll always need to have special equipment at home and at work.
 
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Don't forget, if atos kick somebody off and that person doesn't have the support to appeal, atos get to claim that they've reduced the benefit bill.

My dla stuff has always been paperwork based, wonder how the pip application will change things.
 
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I have the lifetime award too due to very low vision, one eye only and lost a lot of my hearing. When I get the PIP and apply for that, will that be lifetime too? I mean, it's not like I'm magically going to grow my blind eye back into a real eye is it? Granted my condition is stable but it can only get worse, not better, so I think it's unfair that I have to re-apply. I'll always be registered partially sighted and partially hearing, and I'll always need to have special equipment at home and at work.

Some good information here http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/f60.htm. There will only be two rates for pip unlike DLA where there were three for the care component. This in itself will mean that some people will no longer be able to claim dla in it's new form.
 
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Don't forget, if atos kick somebody off and that person doesn't have the support to appeal, atos get to claim that they've reduced the benefit bill.

My dla stuff has always been paperwork based, wonder how the pip application will change things.

Afaik everyone claiming PIP will need to go for an assessment.
 
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This is the trouble. Has anybody got a link to the govs own hard and fast rules as to paper evidence vs face to face.

Paper and reality are very different. I've seen articles where people have died before even getting to their forced assessments and terminal patients being found fit for work then dying soon afterwards etc. Reality is that people do need to have an assessment but that you are judged the minute you enter the room. From some reports I've seen where the person has recorded their assessment you can see what's happening. People are being asked to do things they find painful or uncomfortable and then are given a lower score on the charts because of it. Even attempting certain actions can mean you "fail" regardless of whether you can usually not do them. Also your appearance, if you look clean, well dressed etc.
 
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Thanks, been looking for something like that which details the new "scoring" system. Looks like im going to stop getting any assistance in 2015 then lol.

The really funny thing is that under:

The entitlement thresholds (pass mark) for the rates and components of the PIP are:

Daily Living component (activities 1 to 10)
Standard rate: 8 points
Enhanced rate: 12 points

Mobility component (activities 11 to12)
Standard rate: 8 points
Enhanced rate: 12 points

I would only get 4-6 points for the daily living component as my physical disability's "only" consist of a missing hand and HNPP so would not get that any more like I do under DLA rules. But, I would now score 10-12 points in the mobility component depending how anal the assessor is pretty much due entirely to the ADHD, which I have never even considered an actual disability/issue rofl.

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EDIT: just after peoples opinion on this, do you think "having to use a stick with a sponge attached type device" would cover "Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to wash or bathe"? and would "has to use a robotic hand to tie his shoes laces and even then takes all damn day about it" cover "Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to dress or undress"?
 
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Thanks, been looking for something like that which details the new "scoring" system. Looks like im going to stop getting any assistance in 2015 then lol.

The really funny thing is that under:

I would only get 4-6 points for the daily living component as my physical disability's "only" consist of a missing hand and HNPP so would not get that any more like I do under DLA rules. But, I would now score 10-12 points in the mobility component depending how anal the assessor is pretty much due entirely to the ADHD, which I have never even considered an actual disability/issue rofl.

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EDIT: just after peoples opinion on this, do you think "having to use a stick with a sponge attached type device" would cover "Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to wash or bathe"? and would "has to use a robotic hand to tie his shoes laces and even then takes all damn day about it" cover "Needs to use an aid or appliance to be able to dress or undress"?


One part of the PIP assessment which has been added again (as it was there in DLA) is the "An essential element of the PIP assessment is that it should take account of whether claimants can undertake each activity ‘safely, reliably, repeatedly and in a timely manner".

This means that you would be able to claim still I believe. In answer to your questions; yes I do think those circumstances would apply to you. It frustrates me that people are worrying about these changes when they shouldn't have to. People that have disabilities shouldn't be under such a threat as this and the cuts shouldn't be happening in these areas in my opinion.
 
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also it's likely that the initial assessments will be similar to esa in that you do have to go regardless of what's wrong with you and what data you send.
Sorry you are wrong in this respect! How can you go if your ailment is such you are classed as virtually incapable of performing such an act? I have first hand experience of such cases. There are also lists covering people "invited" to "assessment" regarding ESA and those who are not from the DWP.
 
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