**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

[Davey_Pitch]

Ive made numerous posts on the whole topic of XO cloud computing so I wont drone on . Ill just leave the point that weve seen plenty of technologies with lots of potential, but rarely have we seen that realised.

ps3ud0

I don't disagree, I just like knowing there's something out there with potential. If it doesn't take off, at least I can rant about the developers

 

[Moothead2]

If that is genuine (and I tend to believe it could be, as it fits a lot of what I've read), then MS should have gotten that guy to speak to E3. Not all of that would still go down well with gamers, but I think the majority of gamers would have least have appreciated what they were trying to do, whether they personally agree with it or not.

I'd believe it when I see Halo 6 selling for a tenner 6 months after release . I don't think it would sway that many people in all honesty. People want to see the reality not some guy who may or may not be a MS employee saying it might happen.

 

[House]

From that post on "MS engineer" Neowin

The cloud capabilities is the **** they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute **** and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

Sounds like not client to client games on xbox one, good bye host advantange im not sure if i want to cry for losing or cheer for someone else losing it but its a good things either way.

I've pinned my money on xbox one lets just hope it comes through.

 

[rubberduck]

If all the DRM is going to create games that release cheaper on the XB1 than the PS4 (even if only a few £s) I would favour the XB1 over the PS4.

As someone who doesnt lend/rent or ever get round to selling games the DRM on XB1 shouldnt bother me right? But for some reason it still does, I have no problem with DRM as long as I can see the consumer benefit... If what Microsoft is saying is true then the benefit of the DRM should be cheaper games. If they manage this then they can have my money, if not it goes to Sony.

 

[ps3ud0]

Why would DRM mean cheaper games? Someone want to walk me through that logic?

ps3ud0

 

[Armadillo]

Why would DRM mean cheaper games? Someone want to walk me through that logic?

ps3ud0

No used games/cut for the developers. They can then lower the prices.

At least that is what we are supposed to believe, don't see it happening though.

 

[Tikkabhuna]

If all the DRM is going to create games that release cheaper on the XB1 than the PS4 (even if only a few £s) I would favour the XB1 over the PS4.

As someone who doesnt lend/rent or ever get round to selling games the DRM on XB1 shouldnt bother me right? But for some reason it still does, I have no problem with DRM as long as I can see the consumer benefit... If what Microsoft is saying is true then the benefit of the DRM should be cheaper games. If they manage this then they can have my money, if not it goes to Sony.

One of the benefits they mention is creating a family and giving them access to your game collection. This is a post I made on reddit linking to some information on the feature.

 

[ps3ud0]

No used games/cut for the developers. They can then lower the prices.

At least that is what we are supposed to believe, don't see it happening though.

Indeed, theres just no direct or casual link between DRM and lower prices and nor does Online DRM equal Steam. Just seems a nice bit of PR spin...

It could happen, I dont deny that, just dont understand why publishers on one hand need to manage used games to make them more directly profitable but then on the other hand theyll reduce the price to consumer for new games. They either like money or they dont, they should make their minds up



My own thoughts are that the infrastructure will lead to a reduced to non-existent used market because the price paid by retailers to buy your games will be vastly reduced, as they will need to account for fees/costs they theyll have to add/absorb rather than the situation now where its pure profit.

That seems to lead to a larger section of customers being far more choosy in the games they play as they will have limited resale value which will no doubt affect sale volumes across the game catalogue (aside from the ones that always do well - i.e. the franchises/sequels).

I know publishers will get denser profit though from those sales so its up in the air if theyll make more profit or not, it does feel like though that they will be less likely to create/commision games that arent the standard genres as they will be end up being as risky if not more risky venture than they are today.

Im not just referring to MS, if a publisher decides to invest in their own DRM infrastructure then the above is just as likely once a critical mass of publishers jump on board to do the same. All in all its likely both publisher and platform holder see the same quality of money come through just from potentially fewer sales per game and from a less varied catalogue of games...

Hmm sounds like good news for the gamer . I might have a few plot holes in there though!

ps3ud0

 

[biron_w]

Give me cheaper games, sales and things and I wont mind not being able to sell them.

If they are that bothered about trading games then I don't understand why they haven't worked this out yet - give us digital copies of a game on launch day but at a vastly cheaper price than a boxed copy. And then make sure the price drops accordingly as a game ages. It's not rocket science. People wouldn't get so many used games if they saw a game that was priced at £10 and available for download straight away.
This is what annoys me about this whole DRM thing. They only seem to want to screw over the consumer rather than doing things that will get the consumer on the publishers side.

 

[Calabi]

As a few of the journalists said on the GT feed though, being somewhere between where we are today and where we will be is all well and good (some dismiss it as jack of all trades, master of none) and retrospectively the XO might(will?) been seen in a far better light, its hard to appreciate that going forwards without being privileged in exactly what MS want to do.

Gamers game, they arent stupid but they are somewhat narrow-minded (I think thats fair to say), I think the vision that MS are trying to sell is to an audience that isnt going to be early adopters, isnt going to be the system evangelists but may well fit a larger population which obviously to MS is a more profitable one. Its the pain they will undoubtedly feel til they get to that point.

I do see MS looking further in the future than Sony has, I just dont think that gaze should have solidified as it has, part of that problem is of course this new generations lifetime will span some massive paradiagm shifts in how we consume media.

ps3ud0

I'm sceptical. I remember I thought were basically going to be selling a media pc. Thats what it kind of is but they havent made that clear. Their advertising the tv stuff when thats just a pass through functionality.

They dont seem to be allowing developers to make software or apps for it. It would be cool to have a media box that can play decent games and use software and do all kinds of other stuff. Have they made that? If not why didnt they?

Because I think people would buy that, maybe not in the numbers playstation will get to start with, but over the long haul, if they show off all the things it can do other than games. But I dont know what they are intending to do with it.

 

[phil_t98]

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

Thats the exact reason why im switching.

So you didn't see the x1 games at e3? They were amazing!!! If u just want to game then use you x1 as a games machine

 

[ps3ud0]

I'm sceptical. I remember I thought were basically going to be selling a media pc. Thats what it kind of is but they havent made that clear. Their advertising the tv stuff when thats just a pass through functionality.

They dont seem to be allowing developers to make software or apps for it. It would be cool to have a media box that can play decent games and use software and do all kinds of other stuff. Have they made that? If not why didnt they?

Because I think people would buy that, maybe not in the numbers playstation will get to start with, but over the long haul, if they show off all the things it can do other than games. But I dont know what they are intending to do with it.

Perhaps the original rumour of getting W8 apps might fix that - were we ever going to get that or was that all about the whole thing that the new xbox would run windows?

I dont think anyone heres mentioned it for a while and tbh I dont know enough about what could move over to the XO and what couldnt.

ps3ud0

 

[MikeTheNative]

So you didn't see the x1 games at e3? They were amazing!!! If u just want to game then use you x1 as a games machine

I wasn't sure whether I was bother going to get a Next Gen console, but watching the MS conference really made me want to get one. MS weren't joking when they said they have left the games for E3, and they blew my expectations game wise.

 

[Fr0dders]

No used games/cut for the developers. They can then lower the prices.

At least that is what we are supposed to believe, don't see it happening though.

It worked on steam though.

But most of us doubt the developers can resist the urge to continue charging £45 a game even with the DRM !

 

[phil_t98]

I wasn't sure whether I was bother going to get a Next Gen console, but watching the MS conference really made me want to get one. MS weren't joking when they said they have left the games for E3, and they blew my expectations game wise.

I was a lil worried when the showed off the x1 for the first time to be honest, they showed some great tv stuff but I wanted to see games as I was hearing the ps4 is massively more powerful. When I seen of games at e3 on the x1 far exceeded what I thought they would show, no kin next rubbish or fitness crap.just hardcore games which is what we wanted for the last 2 e3's. Microsoft delivered in terms of games this year

 

[biron_w]

But most of us doubt the developers can resist the urge to continue charging £45 a game even with the DRM !

It's the publishers not devs that decide prices Anyway, I wouldn't trust them either. If they had complete control over the market there would be no reason to reduce the prices as there would be no competition. Everybody knows that publishers are just getting greedier.

 

[dannyjo22]

I was a lil worried when the showed off the x1 for the first time to be honest, they showed some great tv stuff but I wanted to see games as I was hearing the ps4 is massively more powerful. When I seen of games at e3 on the x1 far exceeded what I thought they would show, no kin next rubbish or fitness crap.just hardcore games which is what we wanted for the last 2 e3's. Microsoft delivered in terms of games this year

Not much I was that interested in (from both) and I did start to feel I wasn't seeing anything that I thought needed a new console. Not like when I was blown away by the 360 games prior to launch.

 

[Fr0dders]

It's the publishers not devs that decide prices Anyway, I wouldn't trust them either. If they had complete control over the market there would be no reason to reduce the prices as there would be no competition. Everybody knows that publishers are just getting greedier.

publishers even.

Got developers on the brain today. Ones at work are doing my head in !

 

[ScarySquirrel]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...d-at-xbox-one-launch-importing-near-ruled-out

The more I read about the Xbox One the more I lean towards PS4, but I love my Xbox 360 and lots of my mates are getting Xbox One. ARRRGGHH! This is a tough decision to make!

This is ridiculous, but as you don't live in either of those regions, why would you let this stop you buying it?

I'm definitely getting Xbox One I've decided, I don't want to switch to PS4, and the more I read about the 'bad' things the more I realise it either doesn't affect me, or I just simply understand why it's being done.

My main dilemma being that I'm in Canada, I don't know when I'll be back in the UK, earliest could be March 2014, or it could be many years down the line. It'll be annoying having to buy one here, then sell up and have to buy again in the UK, I imagine I'd lose out quite a lot on that.

I was excited about it only being $499 CAD, but they bloody add tax AFTER here, so it ends up being about $560, which is about £350. Still, cheaper than the UK I suppose.

 

[Moothead2]

This is ridiculous, but as you don't live in either of those regions, why would you let this stop you buying it?

I'm definitely getting Xbox One I've decided, I don't want to switch to PS4, and the more I read about the 'bad' things the more I realise it either doesn't affect me, or I just simply understand why it's being done.

I don't understand the logic behind "well it doesn't affect me" mentality. Would you be okay with Government monitoring because you don't look at child porn?