Soldato
Depends at what price entry. The 290X reference will probably get a small price cut - if not before Christmas, just after.
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780Ti official review thread
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Soldato
German review.
Source
http://www.gamestar.de/hardware/gra.../nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti,749,3029777,3.html
Cherry picking reviews, hehe.
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I like the idea of a 780Ti, but theres a niggling feeling i get when i look at the price then look at the AMD offerings and their prices and how close they are in performance. Sure they are hot and loud but the performance is so close for so much less money.
Then i think Ok there will be the non-ref versions soon of both cards, prices will change slightly on each, still think AMD is the better offering once the non ref versions land with better cooling and higher clocks, sure the NVidia offerings will again be faster, but theres no denying the price difference is substantial enough to make anyone with common sense think twice.
And then theres the rumored mythological world ender that is Mantle coming, who knows if its going to make the cards better or not in certain games, but you can garauntee one thing, if it does happen to increase GCN cards in certain games, if you happen to have a non ref 290/290x at this point, your probably going to be laughing, as you have the new fastest single card at a much cheaper price than its rivals, albeit for those games only
Then i think Ok there will be the non-ref versions soon of both cards, prices will change slightly on each, still think AMD is the better offering once the non ref versions land with better cooling and higher clocks, sure the NVidia offerings will again be faster, but theres no denying the price difference is substantial enough to make anyone with common sense think twice.
And then theres the rumored mythological world ender that is Mantle coming, who knows if its going to make the cards better or not in certain games, but you can garauntee one thing, if it does happen to increase GCN cards in certain games, if you happen to have a non ref 290/290x at this point, your probably going to be laughing, as you have the new fastest single card at a much cheaper price than its rivals, albeit for those games only
Caporegime
Not cherry picking, this is the 780TI official review thread and no one had posted this one.
You can't argue with 8packs results. Although the 290 is already faster than the 780, once it gets off that reference cooler it will pull further clear.
You can
(and then leg it) but I do ask why the 780 was clocked at 1123Mhz? All the 780's I have seen will happily sit at 1200Mhz and over all day long in games.Spot on and I will add to the OP cheers
Soldato
Exactly what I was thinking. A 780 @1123MHz Vs a 290 Pro @1220 with a third party cooler?! Apples to oranges. Should've just gone stock vs stock and then max oc vs max oc. Probably done to show off newer cards.
Caporegime
The 290 Pro was on the reference cooler. Confirmed by 8Pack when i asked in that thread.
Agreed but even you can see the very conservative clocks of the 780?
I'm surprised the 780/ti/titan advocates cant see that AMD have deliberately used a thermal ploy to nerf the 290's so nvidia show their hand.
Really do they honestly believe a card running 95oC isnt going to clock by circa 30-40% when correctly cooled.
When Asus or MSI release the non ref 290/x its gonna be totally amazing and most likely still cost 300 quid for a 290 and 440 for an X derivative. Both should attain non overclocked 780ti fps. Im not sure they will match the overclocked performance of 780ti which is 19% better fps, unless of course mantle is a miracle.
Really do they honestly believe a card running 95oC isnt going to clock by circa 30-40% when correctly cooled.
When Asus or MSI release the non ref 290/x its gonna be totally amazing and most likely still cost 300 quid for a 290 and 440 for an X derivative. Both should attain non overclocked 780ti fps. Im not sure they will match the overclocked performance of 780ti which is 19% better fps, unless of course mantle is a miracle.
Caporegime
I doubt it will make much difference tbh.
8pack said this about that
"The 780ghz given its phenomenal boost clocks out of the box (1123/6000) had no overclocking headroom to speak of sadly. |I tested two different manufacturers cards with the same results. For a plug and play card showed a good set of benches. I could not prove at least for the 780 ghz SKU that Nvidias claims of B1 stepping cards offering more overclocking to be true. They are just optimized to be fast out of the box."
Then said...
So with a better clocking 290X its possible that 780TI might get de-throned.
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If I bought a 780 and it hit 1123Mhz max, it would be returned. DSR FTW and you would do the same Matt
Ohhh and just looked at those benchs you supplied and man do they look dodgy
They look worse than [H]
No AA anywhere and pretty pointless. How long did it take you to find these skewed results?
Ohhh and just looked at those benchs you supplied and man do they look dodgy
They look worse than [H]
No AA anywhere and pretty pointless. How long did it take you to find these skewed results?
Its possible but likely only when compared to a standard non overclocked 780ti. I've just read a review where a 780ti can overclock by a huge margin..(mem nearly hits 8000Mhz qdr)
"Maximum overclock of our sample is 1120 MHz GPU (base) clock (28% overclocking) and 1975 MHz memory (13% overclock).
GPU overclocking potential is VERY impressive. It's been a while since I've seen a GPU do almost 30% OC on launch day. Memory overclocks well, too, thanks to the fast memory chips, and reaches typical levels for 7 Gbps GDDR5"
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_780_Ti/30.html
Caporegime
That 280X is probably the Sapphire toxic, if so it looks about right. The toxic trades blows on occasion with a stoick 780. Those results are without any AA so id suggest they're probably right. I expect if you look at the results with AA it will look more akin to what we normally see.
I will leave those German results there for comedic value
Caporegime
Aye its good but all that overclocking, 41% worth only translates to 18% more performance. I'd hazard a guess that a overclocked 290X will gain more performance from overclocking. That's how it worked with Tahiti anyway. The overclocking boost scaled 25%+ in performance on my 7970 card and i could only go up to 1250/1823 in games so far from golden territory.
How long did it take you to find these skewed results?
Probably been looking since launch
Soldato
I dunno Greg.
Those £200 7950's haven't been at that price for that long really, and that was only a select few models for a while. Most were still in the £250 range until very recently.
Sure, it was 6 months ago or so, but I got my reference 7970 for £310 (well over a year after launch) which is around the price of a ref 290 at launch. That makes the 290 look like a bargain to me.
It is a complicated one and I'm probably missing the point. Anyway...
Fwiw right now, if I wasn't on water, I'd rather take a 780 with a nice quiet cooler for £400 odd over a ref 290 for £320 odd.
Being on water though, 290+block = price of 780 so I'd take a 290.
/ramblings...
Soldato
Those results gave me good chuckle. 280X that high?
Hit the nail on the head there Pete
If water cooling the 290/290X is choice to make
Unless you want Nvidia specifics