2 speeding tickets in one week! what to expect?

Luke · 18 Dec 2013 at 10:10

Django x2 said:
Hold on, what? You were denied a speed awareness course because of a previous convitction, 12 years prior, and before the speed awareness course was even conceived? You got proper busted.

Sorry, you're quite right. The previous offence that caused me to have been denied a SAC was within 3 years of the one in question. 1995 was when I started driving, not sure why that popped into the thread!

jej_knowles · 1 Feb 2014 at 10:02

So.... I received a letter in the post for each of the speeding offences yesterday with 3 options on each 1. attend speed awareness coarse 2. fixed penalty points and fine 3. Attend a court appearance.
Does this mean I can do the speed awareness coarse twice and no points etc ?
Do I have to do a separate coarse for each and pay twice ?

Burnsy2023 · 1 Feb 2014 at 10:17

jej_knowles said:
So.... I received a letter in the post for each of the speeding offences yesterday with 3 options on each 1. attend speed awareness coarse 2. fixed penalty points and fine 3. Attend a court appearance.
Does this mean I can do the speed awareness coarse twice and no points etc ?
Do I have to do a separate coarse for each and pay twice ?

Your guess is as good as mine on that one, it depends whether they pick up on the fact they've sent two conditional offers. They shouldn't allow you to do the course, but it all depends how good their administration is.

Gaygle · 1 Feb 2014 at 10:25

jej_knowles said:
So.... I received a letter in the post for each of the speeding offences yesterday with 3 options on each 1. attend speed awareness coarse 2. fixed penalty points and fine 3. Attend a court appearance.
Does this mean I can do the speed awareness coarse twice and no points etc ?
Do I have to do a separate coarse for each and pay twice ?

No you should not be allowed to do two speed awareness courses. You are only allowed to do one speed awareness course in 3 years.

However what has happened is you have got two speeding tickets in quick succession which means when they've checked if you're eligible you record has been clean on both occasions they've checked.

As burnsy said, if you put down you want to do a speed awareness course on both tickets, it depends on how good their admin is as to whether this will actually happen. They may spot it, or you may slip between the cracks in the system. Of course if you send them back at the same time, the same person will open the envelopes, and you're busted.

jej_knowles · 1 Feb 2014 at 11:35

Hmmmm! I'm thinking its worth a punt at being points free and try arranging 2 speed awareness coarses as they have given me the offer

Steve2000 · 1 Feb 2014 at 16:01

No, when you try to book the second course online you'll be met with a "Our records show you've signed up for this already within the past three years" message.

mattyg · 1 Feb 2014 at 16:05

Do both courses with different suppliers.

Sign up within a few mins of each other

Millwall.FC · 1 Feb 2014 at 16:59

I thought there was a 10% tolerance?

edit just googled and its a guideline.....

Gaygle · 1 Feb 2014 at 17:27

Millwall.FC said:
I thought there was a 10% tolerance?

edit just googled and its a guideline.....

10% tolerance in what? He's been done doing 74mph when he should have been doing 60mph and 40mph when he should have been doing 30mph. He's way over the 10% + 1 tolerance!

jej_knowles · 1 Feb 2014 at 17:34

They have obviously failed to recognise the fact that the limit for the vehicle is 60mph not 70mph lucky hey

Millwall.FC · 1 Feb 2014 at 17:35

Gaygle said:
10% tolerance in what? He's been done doing 74mph when he should have been doing 60mph and 40mph when he should have been doing 30mph. He's way over the 10% + 1 tolerance!

I should have quoted I was on about the people who claim to have had tickets for smidgens over the limit.

Kenai · 1 Feb 2014 at 17:36

Havana_UK said:
I doubt you'll get a speed awareness course offered for it as I believe the guidelines for that offer are that you're within 10% + 2mph of the posted limit, which you weren't in either case.

I was offered it for 42 in a 30, well beyond the 35 that guideline would suggest. I suspect it's entirely force dependent.

Gaygle · 1 Feb 2014 at 18:18

jej_knowles said:
They have obviously failed to recognise the fact that the limit for the vehicle is 60mph not 70mph lucky hey

no they haven't? They wouldn't have given you a ticket for doing 74 on the motorway if you were in a car.

Gaygle · 1 Feb 2014 at 18:22

Kenai said:
I was offered it for 42 in a 30, well beyond the 35 that guideline would suggest. I suspect it's entirely force dependent.

The 10% plus 2 rule, which has now become 10% plus 1 I believe, is the last speed you will not be prosecuted at. So for a 30 limit for example.

30 - 34 = Safe
35 - 42 = Speed awareness course offer (if eligible)
43 - 50ish = EFPN
51+ish = Summons

Kenai · 1 Feb 2014 at 18:24

Indeed, well aware of what the guidelines are, hence me correcting his post

GlasgowTitan · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:15

Gaygle said:
The 10% plus 2 rule, which has now become 10% plus 1 I believe, is the last speed you will not be prosecuted at. So for a 30 limit for example.

30 - 34 = Safe
35 - 42 = Speed awareness course offer (if eligible)
43 - 50ish = EFPN
51+ish = Summons

What do you mean by EFPN? I got stopped yesterday by traffic police using a handheld gun (they were hiding in bushes at side of the road ffs) doing 47 in a 30 zone. Most rediculous 30mph zone ever as its a dual carraigeway no where near a built up area but nevermind....

Kenai · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:17

GlasgowTitan said:
What do you mean by EFPN?

Endorsable Fixed Penalty Notice

GlasgowTitan · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:18

ah right so probably £60 and 3 points?

Kenai · 3 Feb 2014 at 20:25

GlasgowTitan said:
ah right so probably £60 and 3 points?

https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties

£100 and 3 points