maybe moving from 125cc 2 stroke to a 400cc four stroke, thoughts?

[beasty6]

hey guys,

so i did my CBT around 2 months ago and ive been riding my cagiva mito evolution 125, ive been rising solo and with friends, and every time i go out on it i find myself wanting more power, dual carriageways is where i get frustrated and tbh, i dont like the feeling of pinning a 2 stroke at 10-11000RPM for around 15-20mins.

on the twisty s and around town its awesome.

so there is one bike i would ride if i get a 400 and its a Honda RVF400R, so what do you guys think?
from a single cylinder 2 stroke 125 to a V4 4stroke 400?

 

[Sin_Chase]

Not sure what your question relates to?

Power?
Delivery?
Rideability?
Handling?

If it's power wise - no reservations. It will only go as fast as you twist. I went from a 125 Varadero to a 690 Duke.

Ride it, if you like it - Swap?

 

[leigh_boy]

its a good step forwards a good condition one willbe hard to find and cost just as much as a 600 and parts are not so easy especially body panels. v4 sounds awsome it will do wheelies in 1st and 2nd singe side swing arm whats not to like

 

[wazza300]

just get an oldish/cheaper 600cc imo,you'll be wanting one further down the line if you ask me

plus there's more of them and second hand parts

 

[Craig321]

As above just go 600, more choice as well.

Have you checked insurance prices? It can get expensive on bikes like that, whereas something like the Hornet (naked, commuter style bike) will be much cheaper and still has that power to have some fun.

 

[beasty6]

Yeh £311 fully comp with 1 years NCB that's for a 1994 RVF400R.

Is there any 600cc V4 sports bikes? I've been told honda are the bikes with the strongest engines, is this true?

 

[Dogbreath]

Yeh £311 fully comp with 1 years NCB that's for a 1994 RVF400R.

Is there any 600cc V4 sports bikes? I've been told honda are the bikes with the strongest engines, is this true?

Not really, they have their faults same as other bikes (cam chain tensioners being a particular Achilles heel of Honda). Most modern bikes have very strong engines.

 

[atpbx]

I'd be looking for a 600 here as well.

An RVF 400 makes 60bhp at 13KRPM, which means you will have thrash it probably just as much as the mito.
Then you have the fact that any decent ones will be in the hands of enthusiasts, leaving only the scabbiest dogs at the lower end of the market.

 

[beasty6]

just looked at 600cc sports bikes, the only one i like is the ZX6R B1H, now i did a couple of quotes with my current insurer and got £251.99 tpf&t and £540.24 fully comp, thats with 1 years NCB

 

[wazza300]

that's a better choice,i have the 98 g1 model,been flawless

 

[james1985]

VFR and RVF 400's are really nice to ride! The handling is sweet. Quite a small bike but that's my preference. Also keeps the COG low.

They don't have the power of some other's like the ZXR 400's but they have got a nice amount of usable torque and need less revving. But are happy to sing away if you wish. Don't rule them out until you try them, prepare to be addicted though!

Better to spend a bit to get a sorted 400 from an enthusiast than a 600 that has been abused and commuted without much maintenance.
Oh, and V4's have gear driven camshafts!

 

[atpbx]

That's a fine sentiment, but it's not the choice he is faced with.
If he doesn't buy a decent RVF 400, he can spend the same money on a younger just as decent sports 600.
It's not a case of buy the RVF or be stuck with a knacker.

 

[WolfR1der]

Not sure what your question relates to?
If it's power wise - no reservations. It will only go as fast as you twist. I went from a 125 Varadero to a 690 Duke.

Ride it, if you like it - Swap?

I went from a baby Vara to a Versys 650. About a five/six-fold increase in power
It's not an issue if you can keep your head. If the insurance is reasonable then why not?

 

[cyclops12]

Guys he's 20 and will have to restrict!

Get a 600, your mito will be more fun than a restricted 400.

 

[Dogbreath]

Guys he's 20 and will have to restrict!

Get a 600, your mito will be more fun than a restricted 400.

That makes no sense at all, why would a restricted 600 be better than a restricted 400, when the 400 will be smaller and lighter and have the same power?

Also very few 600cc sports bike are eligible for a class A2 licence as you can't start with more than double the restricted power.

 

[wazza300]

id stay as you are then,till you can ride full power,no point restricting anything imo

 

[On Holiday]

I went from a 125 4t to the restricted ER6n 33bhp. Definitely worth the upgrade tbh and you can easily get the oem restrictor and certificate for £15.

I wouldn't have liked to wait on a 125 for a further 2 years before I can ride full power.

 

[cyclops12]

That makes no sense at all, why would a restricted 600 be better than a restricted 400, when the 400 will be smaller and lighter and have the same power?

Also very few 600cc sports bike are eligible for a class A2 licence as you can't start with more than double the restricted power.

All the main fun power on those older 400's was at the top end of the rev range.

Some bikes take restriction better than others and even though they would both be 46 bhp the 600's mid rage would make it a better choice imo.

As for double restricted power I forgot about that, even so I think i'd still go for a 600 of sorts over a restricted sports 400.

 

[beasty6]

I can't stay with the mito for much longer, it's gonna blow up at some point, just trying to keep up with my friends I'm having to full throttle it

As the zx6r b1h has a meaty midrange compared to the other 600's would it take a restriction better?

A friend of mine has a 2001 yamaha r6 restricted fine and that still goes like stink!

 

[beasty6]

Oh and I was 21 yesterday so I have to wait 2 years restricted or wait for 3 years for full power