Forza 6 announced
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Soldato
I'll agree with most of your points. The FM5 physics engine is great, as is the graphics and sound. The issue is the things that build upon that to make a Forza game were missing or half finished. You can't share paints and tunes and race your mates like you could in previous titles. No car clubs. There's a maximum of 10 replays. Period. All your old peripherals - like the £300 wheels MS launched in partnership with Fanatic 12 months previously weren't supported. Own goal after own goal, and T10 just stuck their collective heads in the sand and avoided providing any answers pre launch.
Credit where it's due - T10 added some things back in like drag racing and the no-cost track DLC, but it was too little too late once the trust had gone come the glorious Xbox one launch.
I'll quibble with you about the tracks - not recycled. T10 binned all the existing tracks from the 360, laser scanned them all and recreated them from scratch. The old 360 versions were knocked up from GPS data IIRC. The feel of places like Road Atlanta and Laguna Seca are very different on FM5. Which is a good thing. Just took them a while.
The community has just died in the last 12 months. A topical example - Virtual Motorsports is closing down as of today. They were getting an entry of 140+ people for the classics series in FM4. FM5 numbers were 20-25 on a good week. What's the point, when someone has to devote their own time and money to running a site for their hobby, and they don't really like the game it's there to promote?
Credit where it's due - T10 added some things back in like drag racing and the no-cost track DLC, but it was too little too late once the trust had gone come the glorious Xbox one launch.
I'll quibble with you about the tracks - not recycled. T10 binned all the existing tracks from the 360, laser scanned them all and recreated them from scratch. The old 360 versions were knocked up from GPS data IIRC. The feel of places like Road Atlanta and Laguna Seca are very different on FM5. Which is a good thing. Just took them a while.
The community has just died in the last 12 months. A topical example - Virtual Motorsports is closing down as of today. They were getting an entry of 140+ people for the classics series in FM4. FM5 numbers were 20-25 on a good week. What's the point, when someone has to devote their own time and money to running a site for their hobby, and they don't really like the game it's there to promote?
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Wasn't the steering wheel thing all a lock up between them and Sony over rights who owned the feedback system?
Didnt a wheel come out specifically for GT5 that got dumped and not supported for any other racing game?
The problem I have with FH5 was how good FH2 is compared to it, I did however LOVE the feel of the game, the Top Gear lushing over cars etc.
Didnt a wheel come out specifically for GT5 that got dumped and not supported for any other racing game?
The problem I have with FH5 was how good FH2 is compared to it, I did however LOVE the feel of the game, the Top Gear lushing over cars etc.
Soldato
I've not heard that before. There was a good post on a forum that no longer exists from someone in the know that explained it as well as could be a few months after without getting sued!
As I recall there were two technical issues to work on - MS/T10 wrote a new API for force feedback, plus they added a security chip to lock the console down to approved accessories. Around the same time (mid 2013) there was a falling out between Microsoft/T10 and Fanatec regarding the existing 360 products and they refused to grant Fanatec a license for the XO.
I've not looked into it recently (most of my Fanatec owning mates mostly started PC racing instead!) but there was no reason why a adapter/dongle couldn't be produced to make the newer Fanatec 360 wheels Xbox one compatible. They were already cross platfor 360/PS3/PC compatible.
As I recall there were two technical issues to work on - MS/T10 wrote a new API for force feedback, plus they added a security chip to lock the console down to approved accessories. Around the same time (mid 2013) there was a falling out between Microsoft/T10 and Fanatec regarding the existing 360 products and they refused to grant Fanatec a license for the XO.
I've not looked into it recently (most of my Fanatec owning mates mostly started PC racing instead!) but there was no reason why a adapter/dongle couldn't be produced to make the newer Fanatec 360 wheels Xbox one compatible. They were already cross platfor 360/PS3/PC compatible.
Caporegime
Forza 2 is still the best imo. The balance was not perfect but the best it has been. You had so much competition in the classes. Yes you still had leader board cars but things were a lot closer. Not silly cars with stupid engine swaps topping the leader boards or winning races.
I only just got Forza 5. My first disappointment was not being able to use my steering wheel. Second was the lack of content and the amount you had to purchase! Third is Turn 10 have completely butchered the online play that made the earlier ones great.
The feel of the cars gets better and better with every release. They just need to bulk out the multi player content to what it used to be and have 100% of the content available from the start! Also in my opinion engine swaps and drivetrain swaps should be banned as it is stupidly hard to balance and spoils the online play, leave that rubbish for Forza Horizon. Forza 2 had very little of this which made the racing so close.
I only just got Forza 5. My first disappointment was not being able to use my steering wheel. Second was the lack of content and the amount you had to purchase! Third is Turn 10 have completely butchered the online play that made the earlier ones great.
The feel of the cars gets better and better with every release. They just need to bulk out the multi player content to what it used to be and have 100% of the content available from the start! Also in my opinion engine swaps and drivetrain swaps should be banned as it is stupidly hard to balance and spoils the online play, leave that rubbish for Forza Horizon. Forza 2 had very little of this which made the racing so close.
The force feedback works with like a bungee cord at the back of the week with a motor twisting the appropriate pressure, that give the sensation of steering. They where copying each other and think its in the patent courts.
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I'll agree with most of your points. The FM5 physics engine is great, as is the graphics and sound. The issue is the things that build upon that to make a Forza game were missing or half finished. You can't share paints and tunes and race your mates like you could in previous titles. No car clubs. There's a maximum of 10 replays. Period. All your old peripherals - like the £300 wheels MS launched in partnership with Fanatic 12 months previously weren't supported. Own goal after own goal, and T10 just stuck their collective heads in the sand and avoided providing any answers pre launch.
Credit where it's due - T10 added some things back in like drag racing and the no-cost track DLC, but it was too little too late once the trust had gone come the glorious Xbox one launch.
I'll quibble with you about the tracks - not recycled. T10 binned all the existing tracks from the 360, laser scanned them all and recreated them from scratch. The old 360 versions were knocked up from GPS data IIRC. The feel of places like Road Atlanta and Laguna Seca are very different on FM5. Which is a good thing. Just took them a while.
The community has just died in the last 12 months. A topical example - Virtual Motorsports is closing down as of today. They were getting an entry of 140+ people for the classics series in FM4. FM5 numbers were 20-25 on a good week. What's the point, when someone has to devote their own time and money to running a site for their hobby, and they don't really like the game it's there to promote?
To be honest I haven't gotten around to exploring the multiplayer side of things yet. Only finally got hold of my XB One a couple of weeks ago, so I'm still working my way through single player. Difficult to fault that aspect of the game, but it certainly sounds like the online stuff is more of a mixed bag.
Soldato
The Xbox issues were more API/firmware than the mechanics. The mechanisms I've seen usually have a motor connected by helical gears or a belt drive. Unsure about the cheaper end of the market. Can't quite see how you can have an epic patent dispute on a force transmission technology that was used in cotton mills in the late 1700s to drive machinery.
Soldato
Certainly, and it can make for a good race!
I remember racing with two mates on GT5, worst driver in a GTR, me in a Jag S-Type R and a Lotus Carlton. All modified quite differently but it was close stuff. IMO, this stuff is only found on PC now.
Soldato
They do need to sort that out.Wonder if we will get a 3D model crowd and not 1990's 2D sprites in F6?
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Awaits the first gameplay footage running on a pc and the inevitable visual downgrade before launch a la Forza 5.
Wonder if we will get a 3D model crowd and not 1990's 2D sprites in F6?
Did it really bother people so much? I was so determined to take each corner as masterfully as I could that anything outside the track barriers got no notice from me lol!
Soldato
It grates because the playable demo at E3 had an animated 3D crowd, more trackside building detail and different lighting. MS said it was running on the correct specification hardware. Yeah. Right.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=90611423#post90611423
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=90611423#post90611423
Associate
It's actually quite funny but nothing that would affect my gaming experience. Still a downgrade is a downgrade.
Soldato
On that basis they should just have welded the new physics engine and track data onto FM2, eh?
Bit less funny when they demonstrate a launch title to get hardware pre-orders and when your shiny new day one console appears it's mysteriously been downgraded to trackside sprites stolen from the 90s, amongst other things.
Bit less funny when they demonstrate a launch title to get hardware pre-orders and when your shiny new day one console appears it's mysteriously been downgraded to trackside sprites stolen from the 90s, amongst other things.
Soldato
The deceitful way they did it bothered me. But having a crowd that is 2D doesn't matter to me. I was usually going too fast to look at the crowds.
Soldato
I noticed it quite often when I crashed.The deceitful way they did it bothered me. But having a crowd that is 2D doesn't matter to me. I was usually going too fast to look at the crowds.
Soldato
Yeah, same here. T10 never used to do bullshots, then they pulled that...
Soldato
More dlc riddled pap on its way then!