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Rain rain rain, nice. Hope it's not heavy enough to absolutely kill the race though.
Malaysian Grand Prix 2015, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19
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Soldato
Shame. I usually love wet races but I was looking forward to Merc almost lapping the field the this weekend. Perhaps China with long straights.
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Tweet saying Button has repeated today that there was something strange in the data he saw after the Alonso crash but he can't talk about it. Apparently he said similar right after the accident but not sure if that was reported.
Alonso said he didn't lose consciousness but Mclaren have at several times said he did. Alonso saying he lost consciousness maybe in the ambulance or clinic but seemed to suggest this was down to sedation... something I also find odd, it's normal to sedate people with head injuries for travel, no it sure as heck isn't.
There isn't anything fundamentally dangerous with concussion victims going to sleep the reason you're often kept awake is because changes in mental status after a head injury are significant indicators of trouble and doctors/whoever can't monitor mental status when someone is asleep, it's really that simple. So sedating someone with an injury isn't standard, you would only do so I'd imagine is if the patient is struggling/panicking for whatever reason, due to head knock not knowing where they are or what is going on, being sedated in that situation makes sense.
The whole thing still makes absolutely no sense. It wasn't the car, but it was the car, they don't know what went wrong but Button has seen something in the data he can't talk about... while also saying he spent ages going through the data to convince himself the car was safe and was okay with it(though obviously if something is seen then fixed/changed you can feel safe, so doesn't directly preclude there being something there... though he suggested there wasn't). He was knocked unconscious.... but he wasn't unconscious.
Now out of no where Alonso suggests that his car had a custom steering rack and that the wheel was locked and sent him to the right. The gust of wind theory and Alonso said it definitely wasn't.
Everything about it is ridiculous at this stage largely because every week after the incident brings a new contradiction to what we've been previously told.
Alonso said he didn't lose consciousness but Mclaren have at several times said he did. Alonso saying he lost consciousness maybe in the ambulance or clinic but seemed to suggest this was down to sedation... something I also find odd, it's normal to sedate people with head injuries for travel, no it sure as heck isn't.
There isn't anything fundamentally dangerous with concussion victims going to sleep the reason you're often kept awake is because changes in mental status after a head injury are significant indicators of trouble and doctors/whoever can't monitor mental status when someone is asleep, it's really that simple. So sedating someone with an injury isn't standard, you would only do so I'd imagine is if the patient is struggling/panicking for whatever reason, due to head knock not knowing where they are or what is going on, being sedated in that situation makes sense.
The whole thing still makes absolutely no sense. It wasn't the car, but it was the car, they don't know what went wrong but Button has seen something in the data he can't talk about... while also saying he spent ages going through the data to convince himself the car was safe and was okay with it(though obviously if something is seen then fixed/changed you can feel safe, so doesn't directly preclude there being something there... though he suggested there wasn't). He was knocked unconscious.... but he wasn't unconscious.
Now out of no where Alonso suggests that his car had a custom steering rack and that the wheel was locked and sent him to the right. The gust of wind theory and Alonso said it definitely wasn't.
Everything about it is ridiculous at this stage largely because every week after the incident brings a new contradiction to what we've been previously told.
Soldato
Could they have been testing some shady grey area technology that didnt quite go to plan? could explain mclarens reluctance to provide any solid clarity to the situation and the mixed messages from all parties, they wouldnt want to give away any advantage before the even get it to a race.
Soldato
Considering how much trouble they could potentially get in for not giving you a full 24 hours access on a 24 hour pass, I doubt that the hour 'stolen' by daylight savings will count towards the hours of the pass. I don't know for sure though
Soldato
Yay, Manor Marrusia on the track.
And Alonso.
And Alonso.
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I'm liking working in the usa with the fly-ways, can roll in from the pub and pass out to practice!
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Meh, I dislike that I go through lots of insomnia periods but if they come around during these races at least there is one positive thing about them 
lol, wanted to check the actual times...
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/f1-live.html#leaderboard
EDIT:- refreshed the link and it switched over to FP2 times(so all blank currently)... should have got a screen shot of their utter incompetence.
They'll probably **** it up again for FP2 times though.
not sure if these times will stay as they are or eventually be fixed but it currently has Rosberg top with a 1:52(he did a 1:40 in reality) and it has Grosjean down there with a fairly slow lap time of 24 minutes and something
How badly did they ruin the best website for basic data, actual times, nice pull down menus so you don't have to go to a different page for every single race. Quick, reliable, accurate, now just a POS.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12513/9777387
Alonso was 2.7 seconds behind Rosberg but, better than Australia which was 3.5 seconds and with it being a longer track that is a somewhat bigger improvement relatively than just 0.8 seconds. However, it's one of these situations where frankly only Manor(at some stage) and Mclaren have a reason to brave the temps and push as fast as they can go, simply because they need to push the engine regardless of the temps to get on with developing the car. Merc will be thinking about championships, saving engines, hot temps and not pushing too hard. Will see what the gap is either FP3 or qualifying, but maybe reason to be slightly positive. Of course, they may crank the engine up a little and watch both cars fail after 10 laps of the race as a result.
EDIT:- was comparing times from FP3 in australia because every website went retarded this year. BBC only has the fastest laps from qualifying full stop not each individual session. So the Aussie time of a 3.5second difference was on same tires, it sounds like Rosberg's time was on hards and Mclaren were likely on softs, so about where they were last race as well.
lol, wanted to check the actual times...
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/f1-live.html#leaderboard
EDIT:- refreshed the link and it switched over to FP2 times(so all blank currently)... should have got a screen shot of their utter incompetence.
They'll probably **** it up again for FP2 times though.not sure if these times will stay as they are or eventually be fixed but it currently has Rosberg top with a 1:52(he did a 1:40 in reality) and it has Grosjean down there with a fairly slow lap time of 24 minutes and something
How badly did they ruin the best website for basic data, actual times, nice pull down menus so you don't have to go to a different page for every single race. Quick, reliable, accurate, now just a POS.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12513/9777387
Alonso was 2.7 seconds behind Rosberg but, better than Australia which was 3.5 seconds and with it being a longer track that is a somewhat bigger improvement relatively than just 0.8 seconds. However, it's one of these situations where frankly only Manor(at some stage) and Mclaren have a reason to brave the temps and push as fast as they can go, simply because they need to push the engine regardless of the temps to get on with developing the car. Merc will be thinking about championships, saving engines, hot temps and not pushing too hard. Will see what the gap is either FP3 or qualifying, but maybe reason to be slightly positive. Of course, they may crank the engine up a little and watch both cars fail after 10 laps of the race as a result.
EDIT:- was comparing times from FP3 in australia because every website went retarded this year. BBC only has the fastest laps from qualifying full stop not each individual session. So the Aussie time of a 3.5second difference was on same tires, it sounds like Rosberg's time was on hards and Mclaren were likely on softs, so about where they were last race as well.
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Soldato
Hamilton has more problems
Hamilton goes top on softs with at least half a second in his pocket
Hamilton goes top on softs with at least half a second in his pocket
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Soldato
The lack of pace in the cars after a few laps is staggering. After 10 laps the hard tyres are pulp.
Good to see McLaren are closer than in Aus. Still slowest (other than Manor) when it ultimately shakes out, but they do look quicker, and on a track with much longer straights.
Edit: as Alonso nearly crashes coming into the pits.
Good to see McLaren are closer than in Aus. Still slowest (other than Manor) when it ultimately shakes out, but they do look quicker, and on a track with much longer straights.
Edit: as Alonso nearly crashes coming into the pits.
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Soldato
Kimi is looking very good for a top 3 here. Vettel unhappy with his car.
1. Hamilton
2. Raikkonen
3. Rosberg
4. Kvyat
5. Bottas
6. Massa
7. Vettel
8. Verstappen
9. Ericsson
10. Ricciardo
1. Hamilton
2. Raikkonen
3. Rosberg
4. Kvyat
5. Bottas
6. Massa
7. Vettel
8. Verstappen
9. Ericsson
10. Ricciardo
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Now Renault might throw their toys out of the pram too, over engines they helped to instigate:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118238
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118238
Soldato
It makes sense but at the same time that was one thing that could have really spiced up this season... Not that I'm saying that races should be decided by penalties.
It's going to end up like Indycar or something with 2 engine suppliers, Merc and Ferrari.
Soldato
The engine rules are stupid (like most things in F1!)
I'm of the opinion that development should be unrestricted, you have a set amount of fuel for the race and get on with it.
I'm of the opinion that development should be unrestricted, you have a set amount of fuel for the race and get on with it.
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It's politics. Hugo Chavez wanted Venezuela to be represented in F1, and whatever we may think of the Butcher of Caracas, Pastor Maldonado is a national hero there. It's a small country and not known for its motorsport. Him winning a race was as big for them as Senna's titles were to Brazilians.
