Bin lorry crashes into shoppers in Glasgow: 6 feared dead

[rodenal]

I know what you're getting at but again even that stops short of clearly stating the driver passed out whilst driving. Usually this is quite intentional

I'm not trying to defend anyone or the system that potentially let an unfit person drive, but there is a distinctly nasty element to mainstream media at the moment that likes to fill in the blanks for people.

Just need to wait for the full picture and result of the FAI I guess

 

[Glaucus]

Dvla don't care if it's whilst driving. A single epileptic fit will see you banned from driving for a couple of years.
He lied to the dvla and to the medical and should see a court room.

 

[Destination]

My understanding was that one fit doesn't signify epilepsy, the second one does.
Then it is a case of medication, or control, and an elapsed period of time before you can hold a valid licence again.

If he lied... Hmm. Let's wait and see.

 

[Scania]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33702639

Surprised the police haven't taken this further to be honest.

I'm sure they will.

Had he declared this, he'd have had his HGV licence most likely cancelled or restricted at least and above all he'd not have been at the wheel when this awful event happened.

If this is true, which he appears to have admitted to it, I hope they throw the book at him.

He lied on his job application, had he not done so, those six who died would still be here.

 

[dowie]

he needs to face charges frankly

 

[big_white_dog84]

There has already been a decision by the procurator fiscal that there will be no criminal charges. However I'm not sure how final that is.

 

[Scania]

There has already been a decision by the procurator fiscal that there will be no criminal charges. However I'm not sure how final that is.

In light of today's revelation, I'm sure that decision will be reviewed.


These medical questions for Hgv drivers are for a good reason, I've been subject to it myself in the past.

How awful for the victims relatives though, to know what previously was viewed as a tragic accident should and could have been avoided but for the selfish actions of the driver.

My previous sympathy and empathy for him has evaporated entirely.

 

[Pawnless Endgame]

As with some of the posters above, I agree that charges should be pressed against the driver. He lied in a medical / employer check about a previous blackout.

 

[Surfer]

He should face charges but it doesnt look like he will because the Crown Office originally said he wouldn't face charges (which is mind boggling to begin with)

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13521495.George_Square_crash_driver__cannot_be_prosecuted_/

 

[Tefal]

he lied because he knew if he told the truth he would not be allowed to drive because this may happen.

it happened he really should face prosecution, the lies show he knew full well the risks.

 

[Buffman]

Oh


Has anyone spotted the similarity between this and the bin lorry scene in the WWZ film?

Yes and that scene was filmed very near where it happened! (I went to see the set and lived nearby)


Terrible news and even worse to hear the driver could have avoided it.

 

[TheGamingGeneral]

It appears similar to this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/blackout-driver-who-killed-two-5337974

tldr, guy who suffered repeated blackouts, didnt notify DVLA, killed two girls, not taken further.

Interestingly, in the above it says:

“In order to bring a criminal prosecution, the Crown would need to prove the driver knew that to drive on the day of the incident was to do so in the face of a known and obvious danger – that he was liable to lose consciousness while driving that morning.

“Following consideration of all the evidence, Crown Counsel has concluded that the Crown cannot prove this and as a result has instructed no proceedings.

“Crown Counsel recognises this will be disappointing and upsetting to the girls’ families.

“However, this is a legal decision and was inevitable following the insufficiency of evidence."

Surely they could have a go at making the case?

 

[McBain]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34438129

Appears this man hasn't learnt his lesson.

Banned from driving, and has been rumbled for going out in his car? Hard to understand why he'd get into a car after that, especially when he's been banned.

Should be locked up. (If this turns out to be true, obviously).

 

[diamount]

You only learn a lesson when there are consequences applied, hopefully this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[nade]

Can't believe he's thought he can simply just go out and drive... really need to consider jailing him now surely.

 

[chaparral]

It appears similar to this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/blackout-driver-who-killed-two-5337974

tldr, guy who suffered repeated blackouts, didnt notify DVLA, killed two girls, not taken further.

Interestingly, in the above it says:



Surely they could have a go at making the case?

Here one from a few years ago in Guernsey where the driver suffered from Epileptic fits and killed a young motorcyclist..

http://guernseypress.com/news/2010/02/12/epileptic-fit-led-to-fatal-crash/
http://guernseypress.com/news/2010/02/13/scooter-rider-died-after-driver-suffered-fit/

The driver of the Toyota will not face criminal proceedings but her licence has been revoked.

I can never understand how people with these kind of medical conditions where allowed to drive cars & lorrys etc

 

[Jokester]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35832377

*shakes head*

 

[Evian]

Shouldn't be on the road.

 

[Glaucus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35832377

*shakes head*

No surprise, he should be in prison. But for some unknown reason they said they wouldn't prosecute him before the hearing.

 

[Mr Badger]

Apparently he has "admitted culpable and reckless driving" for the later incident:

Bin lorry crash driver Harry Clarke admits reckless driving charge