Do you agree with the right to defend yourself with deadly force?

thedoc46 · 31 Jul 2015 at 15:52

Couple of drunks walk in to a late night diner, start giving it large. Drunk and aggressive. Start a fight, one gets shot. Later dies crashing (probably drunk on his way to hospital)

Police do not charge the shooter, because he has a concealed weapons lic and was attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ve6MhmeaY

dowie · 31 Jul 2015 at 15:57

agree with the right... but it should be proportional - what is proportional over here isn't the same as what is acceptable over there - they seem to go with the idea that even being punched could sometimes be deadly ergo... you're OK to pull the gun out.... but the idea in general that people should be carrying around concealed weapons in the first place is pretty retarded so you unfortunately end up in retarded situations like that

thep02 · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:01

Having watched the vid, yup without a shadow of doubt the shot guy deserved it as did his mate mr Black who threw a punch he was lucky he backed off when the pistol was shown, I would never shake hands in that situation.

Munky1080 · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:06

Just watched the video and I am 100% ok with this. This is exactly what concealed weapons licenses are for.

Dj_Jestar · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:07

Defend with reasonable force is already a right and is all we need. If the deadly force was reasonable then that's that.[/thread][/discussion][/case]

arknor · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:34

do they ever shoot the legs or is it always a kill shot

BananaDunka · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:35

Do you agree with the right to defend yourself with deadly force?

Of course, what normal citizen of any reasonable nation wouldn't?

Tefal · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:36

arknor said:
do they ever shoot the legs or is it always a kill shot

you're always taught to aim for the center of mass. trying to hit limbs is risky (more likely to miss and hit someone else) and you're still likely to sever arteries.

center of mass = easiest target and also the quickest way to stop the threat.

Rroff · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:36

arknor said:
do they ever shoot the legs or is it always a kill shot

Oh you didn't...

dowie · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:37

LOL

yeah they should train in how to shoot people more gently....

OhEsEcks · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:38

arknor said:
do they ever shoot the legs or is it always a kill shot

Oh ffs.

MooMoo444 · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:39

Deadly force? I don't know... but shooting someone in the leg or shoulder to get them to stop attacking you wouldn't be an issue if you ask me.

OhEsEcks · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:40

http://www.pfoa.co.uk/110/shooting-to-wound

"When I encounter civilian response to officer-involved shootings, it's very often 'Why didn't they just shoot him in the leg?'" Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Institute, told Force Science News in a 2006 interview centered on Paterson's proposed legislation. "When civilians judge police shooting deaths-on juries, on review boards, in the media, in the community-this same argument is often brought forward. Shooting to wound is naively regarded as a reasonable means of stopping dangerous behavior.

"In reality, this thinking is a result of 'training by Hollywood,' in which movie and TV cops are able to do anything to control the outcomes of events that serve the director's dramatic interests. It reflects a misconception of real-life dynamics and ends up imposing unrealistic expectations of skill on real-life officers."

Tefal · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:42

MooMoo444 said:
Deadly force? I don't know... but shooting someone in the leg or shoulder to get them to stop attacking you wouldn't be an issue if you ask me.

in the video how much chance would you say the guy had to carefully aim for a specific point?

TheGamingGeneral · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:42

MooMoo444 said:
Deadly force? I don't know... but shooting someone in the leg or shoulder to get them to stop attacking you wouldn't be an issue if you ask me.

A storm is coming.

AJK · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:43

thedoc46 said:
Do you agree with the right to defend yourself with deadly force?

Yes.

thep02 · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:44

arknor said:
do they ever shoot the legs or is it always a kill shot

Any shot can be a kill shot, the guy was wounded and died in a car crash on the way to hospital.

cheesyboy · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:44

Response should be proportional.

Shooting someone in the face for giving you a bit of a slap isn't proportional; shooting someone in the face for threatening you with a knife might very well be.

I'd rather not have citizens armed with such immediate means of lethal force; plenty of people get involved in altercations, I wouldn't want to see people getting shot over a scuffle.

thep02 · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:47

cheesyboy said:
Response should be proportional.

Shooting someone in the face for giving you a bit of a slap isn't proportional; shooting someone in the face for threatening you with a knife might very well be.

I'd rather not have citizens armed with such immediate means of lethal force; plenty of people get involved in altercations, I wouldn't want to see people getting shot over a scuffle.

I'd rather kill someone than be hurt or potentially killed if he kicks my head or throws me down and I get killed or crippled.

antran · 31 Jul 2015 at 16:47

He might of survive the gun shots if the car didn't crashed on the way to the hospital.