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glen8 said:
No they don't
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Depends on your definition of "who".

ISP's are required to keep track of which customer was assigned which IP address for any given time over the last year. So these ambulance chasing scumbags copyright holders can at least get a customer address from the ISP if they supply a bunch of IP addresses, timestamps and a court order - this is what has happened in this case.

What can't be identified is who on the customer side did the (alleged) downloading - so these speculative invoices are in a grey area of "is the bill payer liable for any copyright infringement that has taken place ?"

I applaud Sky for writing to their customers and warning them.

ISP's do not want to be dealing with this issue as its costs them time and money to comply with the court order - and they don't want to get dragged into the legal issues if people start fighting this through the courts. Its something they are geared up for when the police and security services come knocking - terrorism and child porn are the usual quoted examples, but if every rights holder starts getting access, its going to cost them money and all of us via higher bills.

EDIT: A more interesting question is what is the provenance of the IP addresses allegedly downloading the material ? I'm not up to speed on the details of torrents etc, but I thought they were all anonymous - in which case have they deliberately set up their own site to trap and trace people ? That could be argued as entrapment.
 
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peterwalkley said:
Depends on your definition of "who".

ISP's are required to keep track of which customer was assigned which IP address for any given time over the last year. So these ambulance chasing scumbags copyright holders can at least get a customer address from the ISP if they supply as bunch of IP addresses, timestamps and a court order - this is what has happened in this case.

What can't be identified is who on the customer side did the (alleged) downloading - so these speculative invoices are in a grey area of "is the bill payer liable for any copyright infringement that has taken place ?"

I applaud Sky for writing to their customers and warning them.

ISP's do not want to be dealing with this issue as its costs them time and money to comply with the court order - and they don't want to get dragged into the legal issues if people start fighting this through the courts. Its something they are geared up for when the police and security services come knocking - terrorism and child porn are the usual quoted examples, but if every rights holder starts getting access, its going to cost them money and all of us via higher bills.
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Agreed

The best way is to setup a seperate vlan wifi network on your router and disable security.

If they say you downloaded anything, simply show them your router config :D
 

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peterwalkley said:
Depends on your definition of "who".

ISP's are required to keep track of which customer was assigned which IP address for any given time over the last year. So these ambulance chasing scumbags copyright holders can at least get a customer address from the ISP if they supply as bunch of IP addresses, timestamps and a court order - this is what has happened in this case.

What can't be identified is who on the customer side did the (alleged) downloading - so these speculative invoices are in a grey area of "is the bill payer liable for any copyright infringement that has taken place ?"

I applaud Sky for writing to their customers and warning them.

ISP's do not want to be dealing with this issue as its costs them time and money to comply with the court order - and they don't want to get dragged into the legal issues if people start fighting this through the courts. Its something they are geared up for when the police and security services come knocking - terrorism and child porn are the usual quoted examples, but if every rights holder starts getting access, its going to cost them money and all of us via higher bills.

EDIT: A more interesting question is what is the provenance of the IP addresses allegedly downloading the material ? I'm not up to speed on the details of torrents etc, but I thought they were all anonymous - in which case have they deliberately set up their own site to trap and trace people ? That could be argued as entrapment.
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From what i read its a case of they themselves download the copyrighted material and in doing so see who they are downloading from ie IP addresses.
 

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glen8 said:
Agreed

The best way is to setup a seperate vlan wifi network on your router and disable security.

If they say you downloaded anything, simply show them your router config :D
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wont randoms be able to connect to your network and steal your bandwidth? Is this similar to setting up guest networks?
 

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So, never looked into VPN before. Does it really make me invisible on the net? How does it work in simple terms?

I don't torrent at all. I use usenet with SSL once in a while. Do I need a VPN too?
 

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Just don't say anything, if they ever drag you to court play dumb and let slip that your wifi password was "password".
I really dont see how they can ever prosecute people for this even with there IP address.
 

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[SKR]Phoenix;28833394 said:
So, never looked into VPN before. Does it really make me invisible on the net? How does it work in simple terms?

I don't torrent at all. I use usenet with SSL once in a while. Do I need a VPN too?
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Usenet with SSL is rubbish. You need to start using encrypted nzbs which means the ISP knows you have downloaded something, but not what you have downloaded.

Finding a good site is hard now as most places are invite only for obvious reasons.
 

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Not an admission to anything ......

What if an individual uses hosting sites such as rapid* and upload* to pull material down, the files tend to be compressed and split over multiple files (in other words you need a full set to decompress), how can they tell what this individual is downloading as the filenames are generally meaningless ?
 

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amigafan2003 said:
Dear Golden Eye

Thank you for your recent letter regarding copyright infringement.

I have not downloaded the media in question, however, my wifi is unsecured so that friends, family and neighbours can use my network at thier convenience when visiting me

I can provide you with the names of all 98 visitors I believe have vistied me on or around the date you have specified, should you wish to write to them asking if they have downloaded said material. Unfortunately, I do not know most of thier addresses.

Many regards

Not a porn downloader.
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LMAO
 
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