Finland considering giving every citizen €800 a month

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Even got a full time job. Friend of mine got caught big time, money laundering charges, proceeds of crime tried to take his house etc. I had to do something. I stand by my stance of not paying tax on something that my government won't legitimise, and even had some experts tell me it's far more trouble than its worth at my previous income, brings more scrutiny than anything else.

Please don't attempt to take the thread off topic by making it about me though. I know you are fond of it.

do you really get that kinda heat from man whoring?
 
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A nice idea which I hope works out for them. Gets rid of the whole "on benefits" stigma, one step in the right direction IMO.

Way too modern for the UK though, I could imagine work houses being brought back before anything like this.
 
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If you made it genuinely high enough to live on, the only potential issue (other than finding the money in the first place) that I can see would be ignorant, pop a baby out, people. If they have a fixed income then the more children they have, the less the children have. They're obviously a real minority(if you remove the benefits benefit of having children then they'd only be the really dim).

I don't know why we don't get rid of all child-related benefits altogether and just get the government to subsidise child care costs at source. So of course Swedish-style free-child care, free school dinners for all, free school uniforms, free school trips including spending money, subsidies to clothes stores, food manufacturers and holiday companies to provide the children-based products they provide as close to free as possible etc etc.

In short, cut back every cost that child benefit should be paying for and provide it free instead.

This gets around the right-wing worry/cliche that the parents are spending most of it on themselves, whilst at the same time stopping lefties likes of Owen Jones from claiming you are 'attacking children' when you cut CB.
 
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I don't know why we don't get rid of all child-related benefits altogether and just get the government to subsidise child care costs at source. So of course Swedish-style free-child care, free school dinners for all, free school uniforms, free school trips including spending money, subsidies to clothes stores, food manufacturers and holiday companies to provide the children-based products they provide as close to free as possible etc etc.

In short, cut back every cost that child benefit should be paying for and provide it free instead.

This gets around the right-wing worry/cliche that the parents are spending most of it on themselves, whilst at the same time stopping lefties likes of Owen Jones from claiming you are 'attacking children' when you cut CB.
Sounds really sensible to me, something which is a real gripe amongst people at work is the cost of taking kids abroad during school holidays. Particularly hard one to do anything about, as it's really just supply and demand, also as I argued (although partly as devil's advocate) going abroad on holiday is a luxury, even if there are benefits it brings to the kids.
 
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Its funny how I am finnish and this is the first place I hear anything about this. It is just one of the ideas they have atm and I personally see it as a bad idea if all/most benefits are taken away. What about those who are disabled or just cant work? 800 a month does not go far in Finland where food is very expensive and then you need to pay for rent and bills too and obviously for your medicines/doctor bills/dentist if you need to use these services.

Only good thing about it is that its tax free as benefits are not. Because apparently it makes sense to tax the tax money.
 
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This is the idea of the second fundamental theorem of welfare economics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorems_of_welfare_economics

However, for it to work there needs to be lump sum transfers which are negative and positive. (Just positive ones don't work as you still require a tax system which erodes incentives).

The above scenario isn't socialism as the free market is just as efficient with and without lump transfers.

This was actually the whole point of the poll tax, to try and replicate these negative lump sum transfers to fund positive ones. Until recently child benefit was actually a lump sum positive transfer.
 
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I was amazed when I went on one of their trains that they had a children's' playroom on it with books and a small climbing frame. That would last about 2 days in the UK. The pride in their country keep things nice. I asked my ex about that when we were together and about why people didn't vandalise the playroom and steal the books. She said "Why would they do that? It belongs to the people so why would they want to destroy their own stuff?".

I'd suspect in the UK the toilets would be blocked by... you guessed it - the children's books used as toilet roll.
 
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If they go ahead with it we should let all the people in the camp in France know about it. Plus its for ever citizen so I am thinking of moving there having 6 children then living off 5000 euro MB per month.

To become a citizen of Finland you have to pass a language proficiency test. Finnish is hard.
I'm pretty sure that it will be for every citizen over 18.

Hyvää onnea!

At least you'll get the baby gift that the Finnish government gives every new parent. It contains winter clothes, nappies, wipes, some toys, and the box doubles as a makeshift crib.
 

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says the man willfully draining money out of a system designed to help the young and struggling better themselves knowing hell never pay it back into the pot and thus helping show the scheme to be a waste of money and should be scrapped/made harsher for the people who really need it?

Wow, you're like a dog with a bone.
 
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Wow, you're like a dog with a bone.

BTW, it now looks like it will be paid back as I've been offered a senior lecturing post at uni. Although technically it still won't be me paying it back as the uni have offered to pay it off on my behalf.

That high horse, you can say goodbye to it now.

Not really, people are just calling you out as the hypocrite that you are. It was your intention to milk the system all along until your circumstances had changed and has taken it out of your hands. That doesn't change that you are dishonest and a hypocrite.
 
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Not really, people are just calling you out as the hypocrite that you are. It was your intention to milk the system all along until your circumstances had changed and has taken it out of your hands. That doesn't change that you are dishonest and a hypocrite.

U jelly?
 
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Wow, you're like a dog with a bone.

BTW, it now looks like it will be paid back as I've been offered a senior lecturing post at uni. Although technically it still won't be me paying it back as the uni have offered to pay it off on my behalf.

That high horse, you can say goodbye to it now.

Yes it's a crying shame that a fortuitous change in your circumstances have led to you having to pay back the system you brag about abusing. And continue to brag about having done so.

The horse? You still ride it.
 
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