Advice pls, approved used car supplied with wrong spec

Haggisman · 5 Jan 2016 at 18:59

xs2man said:
What part of DSR do you not get? Hence why in my opening post, I specifically mentioned it.

What's DSR got to do with it? (Which incidentally doesn't exist anymore)

You would have a legal comeback for being missold the goods, (exactly the same as the OP's dad) but by your argument, it would still be partly your fault for not making 100% sure the goods were correct in the first place

xs2man said:
Moreover, this is just getting silly now.

I disagree, it got silly at post 9

mjt · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:00

Wow, what a ridiculous route this thread has taken.

Booner, keep us posted

Jono8 · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:22

xs2man said:
The 5% apportion is because the buyer bought without fully knowing. Buyer beware. Which is all over the internet, particularly on car forums, most especially when purchasing second hand cars. But apparently not here on OCUK. 5% is minimal blame anyway. 95% dealers fault is plenty.

Buyer beware buying an AUC from a BMW main dealer? No, stop being ridiculous.

If he checked and double checked, and in writing, with the dealer that it had this option and they confirmed it did it is 100% the dealer's fault.

A refund or replacement that had the spec i wanted would be the only acceptable outcome if it were me.

Orionaut · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:22

Don't most cars use Xenon headlights these days? Isn't it HID's that are the up market option?

Is there a possible communication error here??

[TW]Fox · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:23

Orionaut said:
Don't most cars use Xenon headlights these days? Isn't it HID's that are the up market option?

HID = High Intensity Discharge, ie Xenon headlights.

Conventional headlights are Halogen, not Xenon.

Jono8 · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:24

Orionaut said:
Don't most cars use Xenon headlights these days? Isn't it HID's that are the up market option?

Is there a possible communication error here??

No, read OP - "the lights are in fact only basic halogen lights. "

Orionaut · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:32

[TW]Fox;29019171 said:
HID = High Intensity Discharge, ie Xenon headlights.

Conventional headlights are Halogen, not Xenon.

I have Xenon filament bulbs in my 20 year old cars. (Nightbreakers)

The problem here is that the same phrase is frequently used interchangeably to describe two completely different technologies.

Kenai · 5 Jan 2016 at 19:44

Orionaut said:
I have Xenon filament bulbs in my 20 year old cars. (Nightbreakers)

The problem here is that the same phrase is frequently used interchangeably to describe two completely different technologies.

Osram Nightbreakers are Halogen, nothing Xenon about them?

HID and Xenon are pretty much interchangeable terms, as you'll rarely find a HID system that isn't Xenon gas bulbs, nor will you likely find Xenon gas bulbs on a non HID system. HID tends to see more usage aftermarket, where manufacturers use Xenon to describe them.

Fr0dders · 5 Jan 2016 at 21:35

Orionaut said:
I have Xenon filament bulbs in my 20 year old cars. (Nightbreakers)

The problem here is that the same phrase is frequently used interchangeably to describe two completely different technologies.

http://www.osram.com/osram_com/news...t-breaker-unlimited-product-details/index.jsp

Product features
The most powerful OSRAM halogen automotive lamp

PS Xenon is a gas. How exactly are you nightbreaker bulbs making their filament out of a gas ? Just when we thought this thread couldn't get any more bizarre !!!

Adam_151 · 5 Jan 2016 at 22:27

Fr0dders said:
PS Xenon is a gas. How exactly are you nightbreaker bulbs making their filament out of a gas ? Just when we thought this thread couldn't get any more bizarre !!!

No one is suggesting the Xenon is used as a filament!. Many tungsten halogen lamps use a noble gas such as Xenon or Krypton mixed with the halogen in the lamp envelope around the tungsten filament

This is completely different to Xenon arc lamps which use an electrical arc passing through the Xenon itself to generate light. The Xenon lights used on cars closer to metal halide lamps than pure Xenon.... they just have Xenon added to produce some light while the metal salts get up to working temperature.

Armageus · 5 Jan 2016 at 23:01

Adam_151 said:
No one is suggesting the Xenon is used as a filament!.

Yes they did

Orionaut said:
I have Xenon filament bulbs in my 20 year old cars. (Nightbreakers)

This thread has gone from slightly odd to completely bizarre

Booner! · 7 Jan 2016 at 17:01

Will have an update for you all tomorrow, sounds like a deal is being done...

BMW have held their hands up. Still a bit annoying after the lengthy and detailed search he's had over the last few months.

Fr0dders · 7 Jan 2016 at 20:37

yay. keep us posted.

Django x2 · 7 Jan 2016 at 21:06

I got told a 640d was a 4 litre NA engine so I can only sympathise with the situation.

Ricochet J · 7 Jan 2016 at 21:09

Django x2 said:
I got told a 640d was a 4 litre NA engine so I can only sympathise with the situation.

Not from a main dealer I hope.

xs2man · 7 Jan 2016 at 22:24

Ricochet J said:
Not from a main dealer I hope.

I have been told some stupid stuff from main dealers in the past. Maybe not this exact one, but I do recall being told the 335d was a 3.5L. And when I asked about a X5 M50d there was mention of a 5.0 V8 :confused:

Havana_UK · 7 Jan 2016 at 22:58

Fr0dders said:
PS Xenon is a gas. How exactly are you nightbreaker bulbs making their filament out of a gas ? Just when we thought this thread couldn't get any more bizarre !!!

FYI, HID (sometimes referred to as "Xenon" lamps) don't have a filament.

They are an arc lamp filled with Xenon gas & metal salts. The gas supports the initial strike and then the salts are heated to extemely high temperatures turning to plasma which is what creates the very high intensity (the "HI" in HID) blue/white light.

PooKer · 11 Jan 2016 at 11:33

What was the outcome in the end?

Booner! · 11 Jan 2016 at 15:11

PooKer said:
What was the outcome in the end?

We were waiting for BMW to confirm the deal since Friday - I'll check in with my dad and find out if he had heard back from them...

Ricochet J · 11 Jan 2016 at 15:17

Booner! said:
We were waiting for BMW to confirm the deal since Friday - I'll check in with my dad and find out if he had heard back from them...

They've likely made a loss on this.

I wonder what the chances are of them offering your dad some sort of large cash back instead of taking the car back.