Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

How did you vote in the EU Referendum?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 861 53.0%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 763 47.0%

  • Total voters
    1,624
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Soldato
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So why did south korea manage to get free trade on 98%of goods?

With no free movement?

What gave SK such huge power over the eu?
Because a 'Free Trade Agreement' isn't the same thing as access to the single market. It's the single market that guarantees the 'four freedoms' of goods, capital, services, and people. Given 'people' is one of the fundamental parts, it's not one we're likely to get a pass on, so we either take it or we are left with some other trade agreement.

Tariffs aren't really very interesting, they're pretty straight forward; you charge them or you don't. It's the 'non-tarrif' barriers that are important, and most of these aren't even intentional. Each country might have different rules and regulations on packaging, safety, or some other standards. The single market removes all these as every member is playing by the same rules. Without, you might find you can't sell your product in another country without changing your production line to meet their rules.

This article from the FT cites two analyses from HM Treasury and the OECD that claim that trade in goods between EU member states increased 73% and 60% respectively compared to trade under the WTO rules.

The financial service sector, in particular, relies on the passporting rights of the single market to allow them to sell products and services to EU clients. If they can't do that, then you'll start to see them move elsewhere - this is already starting. As much as the bankers aren't terribly popular, the sector is a rather large contributor to GDP.

It we want to keep our access, we end up with the Norway deal - we have to pay into the budget, accept all the same rules, but we get no say in it. Not particularly attractive.
 
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And many disenfranchised who voted exit not expecting to win, and some now quite shocked about it. I think people voted that way because they didn't expect their vote to actually change anything.

It works both way though - there were people who wanted exit but turned yellow at the voting booth. The thing that matters most is the final referendum result.
 
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Indeed. The stupid have spoken now millions of people have to live with dumb decision. Reap what they have sewn. The blame culture on benefit claimed is bad, it will be much worse when the effects start to show of the exit.
 
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I do wonder whether this result could be turned around once people feel the economic burn more severely. Or perhaps they just don't care regardless, like the article on the sociology of brexit indicated.
 
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And many disenfranchised who voted exit not expecting to win, and some now quite shocked about it. I think people voted that way because they didn't expect their vote to actually change anything.

Do you think we'll see riots from disaffected remain voters? We're not the French...

No, in regards to leave and if they back down from the result of the referendum. A lot of people are already sick of politicians and the political system as it is without them backing out of this. The remainders don't have the right to decide to riot when a clear and fair ballot was cast. But if they decided to ignore the outcome of the referendum then that is a different situation.
 
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[TW]Fox;29689484 said:
Scotland has demonstrated you get to keep asking the question over and over again.

Hardly over and over again. Once - and 1 of the main points (EU membership) has been threatened.

The remain vote won in Scotland. In these circumstances - another indyref vote is the only way to proceed.

The idea that one constituent of the UK can override the will of another is absurd IMO - that as they say is Democracy.
 
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Labour MP David Lammy endorsing contempt for the referendum result :mad:

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