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Mental health budgets 'still being cut despite pledge'
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Bordering on criminal? Nice trolling.
I can't tell if you're actually serious? Have you looked over any PFI deal, or even know what PFI is?
Go look up some figures and come back.
I've heard about this and it certainly seems like a good idea. Having a MH professional working with the Police on the front line seems like a great way to get problems sorted before they become a massive problem. It is all about getting these people treatment as quickly as possible and if having a MH professional working with the Police allows this to happen then I am all for it.
Seems a relevant story to the thread
Sussex NHS mental health trust is criticised and apologies for 10 killings by it's patients over 8 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37682249
Sussex NHS mental health trust is criticised and apologies for 10 killings by it's patients over 8 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37682249
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Those that say this have never experienced full on depression or Crippling anxiety,And i hope they never do.
because i tell you its not what people thing it is,You cant simply "Man up"..you can sort of get on with it BUT it will always be there.
I think the support for such things in the UK is pretty bad to be honest,We definitely need improvements in this area.
Yes its a good system. A secondary part of it is a process of direct referrals.
If I attend to someone who perhaps is suffering from 'mild' depression (don't take me the wrong way on that phrase I'm well aware depression can have massive implications for the sufferer/family at whatever level), I can, if I think it doesn't warrant the Intervention team attending, do an email report straight to the local MH team.
It's basic stuff really, a chat over a cup of tea often does wonders, listening to the person, establishing if they've been to the GP about the problem (amazing how many people haven't done so), if they're on medication, if they've been diagnosed with anything, what their lifestyle is like etc. They get some information leaflets and instructions on how the referral system works.
I'll go away and email a short report through to the MH trust who will get in touch with them during Office hours. Normally the persons wait is less than 8 hours for this to occur.
Obviously we also will ask the person if they would like to go to the local Hospital voluntarily to speak to a Psychiatrist. I would say so far its been about 70/30 split with only 30% of the lower level incidents taking us up on the offer.
It has definitely reduced the time spent on these incidents. In some cases I've even had direct emails from the MH line managers telling me that some of the reports they've had off me in relation to people already in the system are better than stuff they've had off GPs!
Caporegime
This is a dangerous development. The more cuts to mental health, the more people will start voting UKIP.
I feel your pain. I hope whoever it is you know with serious depression gets better soon especially if it is yourself.
Soldato
I disagree. "Society" will get exactly what it deserves. The problem is, that is a far cry from what it actually wants or needs...
This is all very sad. Someone very close to me has been experiencing a very severe bout of anxiety and depression for over a year now. This means they can't leave the house on their own, constantly upset and generally completely miserable.
The NHS has done nothing but throw medication at them. There was a reversal for a few sessions of CBT which were worthless but finally last week the doctor agreed to refer to a psychiatrist. Alongside all of this we have struggled to pay for private counselling, and have just embarked on hypnotherapy which is costing £80 per hour.
Don't get me wrong I'll pay or do whatever's necessary, it's just been shocking how little support the NHS has been able to give.
The NHS has done nothing but throw medication at them. There was a reversal for a few sessions of CBT which were worthless but finally last week the doctor agreed to refer to a psychiatrist. Alongside all of this we have struggled to pay for private counselling, and have just embarked on hypnotherapy which is costing £80 per hour.
Don't get me wrong I'll pay or do whatever's necessary, it's just been shocking how little support the NHS has been able to give.
I have serious problems myself robjf and yes it's very difficult getting the help you need but it does happen....eventually.
Admittedly they have thrown horrendous amounts of medication at me (I take around 15 various pills a day). I finally began to see the psychiatrist recently but appointments are few and far between (like 8 weeks??) the help comes it's just too slow.
Also dealing with the ESA people is nothing short of a nightmare but that's a different story I guess.
Admittedly they have thrown horrendous amounts of medication at me (I take around 15 various pills a day). I finally began to see the psychiatrist recently but appointments are few and far between (like 8 weeks??) the help comes it's just too slow.
Also dealing with the ESA people is nothing short of a nightmare but that's a different story I guess.
Thanks for sharing that, it's really good to hear a positive story for once about a policy that is actually having an effect.
Is this just something your force does, or is it a policy to be rolled out nationwide?
Having come through serious depression a few years ago, the NHS service was shocking then.
I broke down and went to my GP to seek help and she was really good. I didnt realy want to go down the medicine route but she said it would help initially but not the long term solution. I needed therapy.
Issue was she could refer me through the NHS but it would be 6 months before I would be seen or I wanted to pay private, I could see the same therapist next tuesday.
Luckily I was in a position where I could pay for private but it seems ridiculous that I would have wait to 6 months if I wanted to see one on the NHS.
I did seem to get the impression form the GP that she "suggested" that if I said I was having suicidal thoughts then I would bumped up immediately and be able to see a therapist straight away on the NHS.
I broke down and went to my GP to seek help and she was really good. I didnt realy want to go down the medicine route but she said it would help initially but not the long term solution. I needed therapy.
Issue was she could refer me through the NHS but it would be 6 months before I would be seen or I wanted to pay private, I could see the same therapist next tuesday.
Luckily I was in a position where I could pay for private but it seems ridiculous that I would have wait to 6 months if I wanted to see one on the NHS.
I did seem to get the impression form the GP that she "suggested" that if I said I was having suicidal thoughts then I would bumped up immediately and be able to see a therapist straight away on the NHS.
Not 100% sure, think it is being piloted by three or four Forces What tends to happen is that each Chief Constable has a 'portfolio' such as Traffic, Hate Crime etc. (they tend to oversee Policy in those areas, plan days of action etc)., so I suspect the Chief with the Mental Health Portfolio has realised a couple of things
1) Policies on Mental Health are disjointed and different in each area
2) Dealing with Mental Health is increasingly taking up Police time rather than NHS time
Quite clearly the driver is to reduce demand, assist the member of the public in crisis and deliver a more coordinated response Nationwide - all of which, I'm sure you will agree, are long overdue.
I think the long term aim is to role it out Nationwide.
Caporegime
Why? Why isn't healthcare which is free for all at the point of use a good thing?
The reasons mentioned and the fact that it's too easily abused. Speak to any a and e staff for a full summary.
Soldato
Sorry but I don't accept that. The NHS is renowned the world over through providing affordable healthcare to ALL at the point of use. All it requires is state funding via taxes etc. A situation the Tory's consistently fight against as they want small government with low taxes for the wealthy. Labour however, sensibly understand that a little socialism is a good thing, which is why EVERY Western Democracy toady is quasi socialist. I've been in and out of hospital all my adult life, most recently, 2 months ago for 2 weeks at Lanchester Road Hospital, where I received excellent care from a happy, helpful and committed staff. So no I put it you that YOU do not the relevant facts to support your argument.
No it doesnt.
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Why? Why isn't healthcare which is free for all at the point of use a good thing?
The NHS is a poor universal healthcare model, it is expensive for the care provided and does not encourage responsible behaviour. I want the freedom to choose who provides my healthcare, I don't want my money to be taken from me from by the government pointing a gun to my head and saying this is the health system you have to use.
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