Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

[asim18]

Using a VPN if you're actually innocent is about the most stupidest thing you can do, and using a VPN for actual illegal purposes is the second most stupidest thing you can do.

All you're doing is associating your traffic with traffic that is potentially used by actual criminals for criminal purposes.

Sorry but you guys don't know what's going on. Anyone remember the governmental attempt at blocking porn by default a couple years ago? It was a testing phase. The government KNOWS you guys just jump on a VPN to bypass it, it knows it was a failure, they knew it was going to be a failure! Now it's been fully implemented to all browsing, not just porn, and people just assume the government isn't aware everyone's going to jump on a VPN?

How can you trust what else is coming out of that VPN endpoint? Why would you risk associating yourself with actual criminal traffic?

It doesn't take much association to get all your data from FB/Google/and all. "This user has been using the same IP address as so and so criminals you must hand over all data to us now.".

And this is what it's about. Data. There's a massive war of data going on. Didn't the government even manage to infiltrate Google HQ a couple years ago? Hasn't there already been increasing pressure for Apple and Google and all to make their data available to government agencies?

 

[Narj]

How the tables turn, eh?

Well, legally, General Data Protection Regulation is set to come in soonish (May 2018). If the government's manoeuvres are seen to be in breach, particularly when ISPs and other third parties get involved in this harvesting scheme, you can challenge them at the ECJ.

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Well let's put it this way, perhaps the people saying they were only voting remain to avoid handing too much power to the Tories didn't have a completely crap argument after all.

 

[datalol-jack]

Well let's put it this way, perhaps the people saying they were only voting remain to avoid handing too much power to the Tories didn't have a completely crap argument after all.

Feeling trapped yet?



Sticking it to Cameron had its consequences; somehow I doubt many people cared, as again the net and net privacy is a generational thing. Doo-doo! In the current climate, I feel only business pressure and a few high profile court cases can sink May's Eye of Sauron. If you've always wanted to join the Pirate Party, now's the time.

 

[Narj]

Feeling trapped yet?

Sticking it to Cameron had its consequences; somehow I doubt many people cared, as again the net and net privacy is a generational thing. Doo-doo! In the current climate, I feel only business pressure and a few high profile court cases can sink May's Eye of Sauron. If you've always wanted to join the Pirate Party, now's the time.

Do I feel like I've been played? Not quite.

In all honesty I thought that no matter which way you voted, we'd be shafted one way or another. There are some interesting developments in the EU, though. We may yet see a shake-up at the top level that softens opinions.

If a few seismic political events instigate reform then I'm open to changing my mind and another vote. Especially if it reins in nanny May. That's a very big "if".

Also, I like Tony Blair's term of being, "politically homeless". Shame he doesn't actually understand who those people are!

 

[Tefal]

Your ISP will say "don't know". The ISP being used by the server will see the traffice to those websites originating from that server.

Law enforcement pertinent to that ISP's country says, "Who owns this server?" If it's just one person (you), then you're royally boned. Only now you're wanted by law enforcement in the country hosing the server instead of your own.

Don't see how that helps.

But its not illegal in the other country so why would thier authorities come after you,

 

[stewski]

Using a VPN if you're actually innocent is about the most stupidest thing you can do, and using a VPN for actual illegal purposes is the second most stupidest thing you can do.

All you're doing is associating your traffic with traffic that is potentially used by actual criminals for criminal purposes.

Sorry but you guys don't know what's going on. Anyone remember the governmental attempt at blocking porn by default a couple years ago? It was a testing phase. The government KNOWS you guys just jump on a VPN to bypass it, it knows it was a failure, they knew it was going to be a failure! Now it's been fully implemented to all browsing, not just porn, and people just assume the government isn't aware everyone's going to jump on a VPN?

How can you trust what else is coming out of that VPN endpoint? Why would you risk associating yourself with actual criminal traffic?

It doesn't take much association to get all your data from FB/Google/and all. "This user has been using the same IP address as so and so criminals you must hand over all data to us now.".

And this is what it's about. Data. There's a massive war of data going on. Didn't the government even manage to infiltrate Google HQ a couple years ago? Hasn't there already been increasing pressure for Apple and Google and all to make their data available to government agencies?

People VPN for work all the time.

 

[Narj]

People VPN for work all the time.

Yeah exactly. What a silly post.

 

[oldbag]

Also, given the fact most people now get a dynamic IP from their isp, it would make it hard to prove dodgy traffic wasn't from you, unless you unplug the router every night. Given the amount of people that use vpns every day, the very fact you're using one doesn't automatically say you're doing anything illegal.

 

[Mynight]

Don't they have to prove it was you in this country.

 

[datalol-jack]

Don't they have to prove it was you in this country.

We will have none of this expert talk here, no sir! Guilty as charged by printout!

 

[antijoke]

So MPs will be exempt from this part i take it.

 

[Narj]

So MPs will be exempt from this part i take it.

Yes. Exactly.

The filthiest, dodgiest people in society are impervious
to scrutiny.

It's always been that way. Look at Keith Vaz.

EDIT: unless you're dead. They'll investigate then.

 

[datalol-jack]

Yes. Exactly.

The filthiest, dodgiest people in society are impervious
to scrutiny.

It's always been that way. Look at Keith Vaz.

Hooters in the trough takes on a whole new meaning.

 

[Oh Ed not again.]

I can't get my head around why more people aren't outraged about this, or why there's no opposition anywhere from any party in the politisphere. Even as a crass way to curry favour, nothing.

More importantly, how helpless we all are to watch a prime minister we didn't vote in oversee a totalitarian package of surveillance without so much as a "please don't" from anyone.

This is one of the few times I'd be happy to see a mass march on parliament, because I don't think words will ever speak loud enough to that agenda.

 

[stewski]

I can't get my head around why more people aren't outraged about this, or why there's no opposition anywhere from any party in the politisphere. Even as a crass way to curry favour, nothing.

More importantly, how helpless we all are to watch a prime minister we didn't vote in oversee a totalitarian package of surveillance without so much as a "please don't" from anyone.

This is one of the few times I'd be happy to see a mass march on parliament, because I don't think words will ever speak loud enough to that agenda.

Well at least we can stop worrying about safe spaces in uni

 

[Narj]

I agree. The lack of news coverage is stunning. Why isn't this all over the BBC?

I know I'm normally a critic and whine about bias but in this case I'm genuinely surprised.

 

[datalol-jack]

I agree. The lack of news coverage is stunning. Why isn't this all over the BBC?

I know I'm normally a critic and wine about bias but in this case I'm genuinely surprised.

They timed it well. Anyone gets any wind of this, and it'll be turfed out with Trump/Brexit/Royals. New Statesman had something on the bill, but its regular readership is probably not enough to spam one petition. A nudist march would get their attention, though.

 

[Narj]

They timed it well. Anyone gets any wind of this, and it'll be turfed out with Trump/Brexit/Royals. New Statesman had something on the bill, but its regular readership is probably not enough to spam one petition. A nudist march would get their attention, though.

Instead we're hearing about possible electoral rigging in the USA. If that's true then I'm absolutely terrified. Two pitchfork brigades at one another's throats but still, domestic affairs are taking a back seat.

You know what? We've been at loggerheads in the past but I actually quite like you now, sir!

 

[datalol-jack]

Instead we're hearing about possible electoral rigging in the USA. If that's true then I'm absolutely terrified. Two pitchfork brigades at one another's throats but still, domestic affairs are taking a back seat.

You know what? We've been at loggerheads in the past but I actually quite like you now, sir!

Water under the bridge. If we're ever reduced to chocolate rations, you can have mine.

 

[Tefal]

I agree. The lack of news coverage is stunning. Why isn't this all over the BBC?

I know I'm normally a critic and whine about bias but in this case I'm genuinely surprised.

Because to most people ots boring geek stuff that doesnt affect them