Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

[Fubsy]

They'll just do the same mistake again though, and Farron is a wet rag compared to Clegg.

If Clegg was still there I'd consider them, but yea Farron has the same effect on me that Milliband did. Eurgh.

Back on topic, and this sums up IPB...

Search for "Your Entire Internet History" on YT, clip from recent South Park. I would link it but there is a tiny "BS" at the end that makes it run foul of the forums swearing policy.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

This nonsense is leaving me hoping for another Scottish Independence referendum. I voted no last time but now I would 100% vote yes.

*edit* Can someone who voted that they fully agree with this please explain why? I am genuinely curious as to why anyone would think this is a positive thing.

 

[Rilot]

I've spoken with many non-technical people about this new legislation and in 100% of cases so far, they agree with it. When asked why they nearly always respond with "If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear".
The general public will not change their voting habits because (according to my very small sample) they generally agree with it. When you wrap something up with "It will stop terrorism and catch pedophiles" then it's easy to get them on-side.

I think it's absolutely shocking and I fully expect it to be abused by the authorities. As a life-long Tory voter I can safely say that because of this (and the Brexit referendum) I will never again be voting for them.

 

[oldbag]

People are just sleep-walking into this stuff, too much "doesn't affect me" attitude. A side effect of capitalism. They'll only care when it happens to them.

 

[Mynight]

I guess this is next on their todo list

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602987/china-turns-big-data-into-big-brother/

 

[Combat squirrel]

Arguing that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like arguing that you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

UK's new Snoopers' Charter just passed an encryption backdoor law by the backdoor

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/investigatory_powers_act_backdoors/

Snoopers’ Charter: Only amendment politicians have submitted to controversial bill is to stop MPs being spied on

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ntroversial-bill-is-to-stop-mps-a6948211.html

So, apparently the government isn't here to serve the people as we thought. They want to spie on everyone, but not let people spie on them...............its wrong, obviously.

 

[Energize]

I would categorically not vote Tory in the next election because of this and this alone. I wouldn't vote Labour either because of their spineless apathy towards it. That leaves UKIP, but I reckon they would love and support this, the Greens (lol) an the Lib Dems that want to trample all over democracy and reject the referendum result.

Labour didn't have apathy towards it, they actively voted for it, they are in bed with the conservatives when it comes to stuff like this.

I now have no one party that I can agree with, or one that I have no major disagreement with.

Join the club.

Labour are highly authoritarian
Conservative are highly authoritarian
UKIP are highly authoritarian
Green are mental
Lib dem, who are they again?

The UK has no proper liberal political party.

 

[Bonjour]

The Liberal Democrats were, but the electorate neutered them at the last election.

 

[Tefal]

. They want to spie on everyone, but not let people spie on them...............its wrong, obviously.

I think thats always been the case though.

Officially mi5/6 and gchq have never been allowed to spy on mps.


One reason is to stop the party in power/government using thst information to blackmail or discredit the oposition

 

[Tefal]

I've spoken with many non-technical people about this new legislation and in 100% of cases so far, they agree with it. When asked why they nearly always respond with "If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear".
The general public will not change their voting habits because (according to my very small sample) they generally agree with it. When you wrap something up with "It will stop terrorism and catch pedophiles" then it's easy to get them on-side.

I think it's absolutely shocking and I fully expect it to be abused by the authorities. As a life-long Tory voter I can safely say that because of this (and the Brexit referendum) I will never again be voting for them.

Ask to borrow thier phone to google something snd watch them squirm as they hope thier browsing history doesnt pop up in autofil

 

[Tefal]

**Quoting off topic stuffs - Stelly**



Why are you still the one whining about the associational implications of public free-for-all VPNs? It's not me theorising any more remember, or was that simply your first strawman? The FBI have now confirmed VPN is to be treated as potential criminal activity and you're still whining about me?

I voiced my concerns about associational implications of VPN use, then you had a little cry about it and tried to pretend it's not a real concern, since then my concerns have been validated and the FBI has confirmed it holds VPN's use with criminal suspicion, and now you've retorted to creating BS lists of crimes I've supposedly done (based on nothing more than denial and delusion) simply because you lost?

That's classy. Real classy

No its just you worry about assosiation when your own history would lead them to confessions abor things you boast publicslly sbout.

But look i know you recently read "the power of words" or some other god awful self help book and are loving the linguistic programing crap but no one is whining or crying kr even cares no matter how often you say it (like 5 times in this thread alone).

Its jusr a conversation. You quoted me and made a post i replied thats it.

I really couldn't care whst the fbi do as I'm not american.

Much in the same way i dont care if the fbi or the nsa or the cia or even mi5/6 or gchq read everything i do because none of that obtained illegally could be used in court. Also I'm not planning any terror attacks so arent going to end up in a secret court.

What worries me is that this list will eventually end up being trawled by lower and lower levels of officials or it gets handed over to dmca etc and i get a court summons fir running kodi or for watching bdsm porn or heck if that communications part kf the bill gets enacted half the videos ive made on a weekend with my friends would be "obscene or offense" under other laws.

Those are real practicle concerns that are delt with by a vpn, if because i use a vpn some random security agency reads all my stuff who cares they csnt affect my life

 

[Mynight]

I think thats always been the case though.

Officially mi5/6 and gchq have never been allowed to spy on mps.


One reason is to stop the party in power/government using thst information to blackmail or discredit the oposition

Seems redundant as they'd be able to do it privately anyway/it's not like GCHQ hasn't done things outside the law before .

 

[Combat squirrel]

I think thats always been the case though.

Officially mi5/6 and gchq have never been allowed to spy on mps.


One reason is to stop the party in power/government using thst information to blackmail or discredit the oposition

SO? Your point has completely nothing to do with my point - this is different, they want watertight encryption yet all other people not have that, its different to whom they are officiallly allowed to spy on or not? lol

 

[Fubsy]

Labour didn't have apathy towards it, they actively voted for it, they are in bed with the conservatives when it comes to stuff like this.

Did they?

On the last vote I couldn't find any Labour MP that voted for it, so assumed they had abstained apart from a token few that voted against like Dennis Skinner.

 

[stewski]

With respect to the Business VPN versus consumer VPN situation.
My take is, it is unlikely to currently be trivial to distinguish between the two.

That said, as all UK ISPs have to work within the framework of the new law (i.e keep internet connection records for 12 Months and effectively share them with government) and are likely to effectively "hold" the ingress public IP address for UK Business VPNs (In our case our Work VPN is in no way registered but clearly our ISP's supply our public/static IP addresses) these may or may not have been registered as a host at a company domain. It is probable that untangling consumer VPNs and Business VPNs will likely become easier over time though, as a single organisation will soon have record visibility across all the UK ISPs, simple trends such as the GMT of typical usage, bandwidth of data etc will likely aid this.

Indeed the law may well have a chilling effect in a range of technological areas, arguably part of the Governments intention. Time for the Guy Fawkes masks me thinks.

 

[asim18]

No its just you worry about assosiation when your own history would lead them to confessions abor things you boast publicslly sbout.

Oh man. Your logic isn't even flawed because it's infantile (which is why most people's logic fails. Your logic is simply down right 100% inane.

Are you telling me if the BBC publishes an article which says so and so gangs from London have access to firearms, that this is the BBC admitting that they themselves can get firearms?

Your illogic seems to have no bounds. You seem to be clutching at any straw you can get hold of with no regards for logic and reasoning.

But look i know you recently read "the power of words" or some other god awful self help book and are loving the linguistic programing crap but no one is whining or crying kr even cares no matter how often you say it (like 5 times in this thread alone).

I have not mentioned neurolinguistic programming in this thread. Not even ONCE. "5 times" is absolute bull ****.

Again. You seem to be clutching at any straw you can get hold of with no regards for logic and reasoning.

Its jusr a conversation. You quoted me and made a post i replied thats it.

I really couldn't care whst the fbi do as I'm not american.

Much in the same way i dont care if the fbi or the nsa or the cia or even mi5/6 or gchq read everything i do because none of that obtained illegally could be used in court. Also I'm not planning any terror attacks so arent going to end up in a secret court.

What worries me is that this list will eventually end up being trawled by lower and lower levels of officials or it gets handed over to dmca etc and i get a court summons fir running kodi or for watching bdsm porn or heck if that communications part kf the bill gets enacted half the videos ive made on a weekend with my friends would be "obscene or offense" under other laws.

Those are real practicle concerns that are delt with by a vpn, if because i use a vpn some random security agency reads all my stuff who cares they csnt affect my life

Why are you so self-conscious?

"I don't care if"
"everything I do"
"csnt affect my life"
"none of that obtained illegally could be used in court"

I don't care about none of these things. Why are you telling me this personal crap? I simply made a statement that VPN use will be taken as suspicion and the FBI has confirmed that, now you're whining about "I" "I" "I".

It doesn't mean FBI is GCHQ, it simply backs up what I predicted any authoritative organisations would think about VPNs. FBI/NSA and GCHQ have the same agenda even though they are separate entities, it is not unreasonable to assume they both share the same suspicions about VPN use.

 

[itchy]

Its easy to circumvent if you actually think about it.

PC--->Tor--->VPN--->PC--->Tor--->VPN---> Actual IP address.

I doubt anyone would find what you up to with that configuration.
Problem is you would need 2 PC's and 2 routers.

Am not network savvy these days, so someone one point out if the above configuration is traceable and how.

 

[GeekUp]

what ever we do, we're doomed.. what a near sad ending to 2016 and a brand new crappy 2017...

 

[Tefal]

Its easy to circumvent if you actually think about it.

PC--->Tor--->VPN--->PC--->Tor--->VPN---> Actual IP address.

I doubt anyone would find what you up to with that configuration.
Problem is you would need 2 PC's and 2 routers.

Am not network savvy these days, so someone one point out if the above configuration is traceable and how.

Vpn providers offer tor and vpn doubble hops as part of thier servicd

 

[Angilion]

Petition response.


Basically a **** off we're not changing a thing response. Not overly surprising.

While it's true that they did make some committees (some of which even had people with relevant knowledge on them) to study the negative impact of the law, it was just window dressing. They ignored all the recommendations from those committees. All the blathering about privacy and oversight is just politically useful lies. It's not ignorance, either. They know what the law is for - that's why they exempted themselves from it. If they believed the lies they're making, they wouldn't have seen any reason to exempt themselves from the law.

So we have authoritarian rulers who have enacted unprecedented blanket spying on their subjects and put themselves above the law. Well, no way that's going to result in anything bad happening. Obviously.