Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

Are you happy with the investigatory powers bill being passed?

  • Yes, I fully agree with it.

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Yes, but I am uncomfortable with certain aspects of it.

    Votes: 31 5.5%
  • I am undecided.

    Votes: 27 4.8%
  • No, but I do agree with parts of it.

    Votes: 103 18.2%
  • No, I fully disagree with it.

    Votes: 391 69.1%

  • Total voters
    566
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Well when they search a house they dont tend to leave certain family rooms unsearched do they?


(I am completely against this bill)

Personally I'm still confused how this act improves privacy at all but what do I know...

When they search a house rhey have a warrent though.

Make them need a warrent signed by a judge not a minsister for this frap and id be less against it
 
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Sorry, what has the TalkTalk hack by the Mirai worm got to do with this?

Don't get me wrong, I am firmly against this, but not sure what you mean by them getting attacked in the manner that they have.

Well presumably if your router is compromised as many have been, there is zero confidence that the data logged against your IP address actually originated inside your network.

Which speaks volumes to the argument that VPN's taint your IP usage data by association, so can your legitimately ISP supplied hardware and in the case of a large number of just the known ISP users, it already has!
 
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When they search a house rhey have a warrent though.

Make them need a warrent signed by a judge not a minsister for this frap and id be less against it

Yeah thats true. I must admit I am a bit confused over the warrant situation. Some times it's mentioned the police must have a warrant to access such data but makes no mention of the gambling or H&S boards.

Other times it makes no mention of a warrant.
 
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Well virgin media can go and screw themselves in February.

I have been blocked from all my torrent sites and can only access them through Tor now.

Cannot get into any torrent sites and the ones I can are rubbish.

Going to sort a VPN out this week as I have an old router lying around and it can be flashed to support VPN.

I can see where all this is going and I really don't like it, :mad: time to update my network skills I think. ;)

I know someone who could sort it for me but I like learning. :D
 
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Looking at the router (just http(s) traffic) we have more than 60 (unique) website connections at any one time - I'm not even going to guess over the course of a day... even with the relatively high compressibility of that data due to repetition they are gonna need quite a bit of storage capacity just for my main connection over the course of a year lol.
 
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Yeah thats true. I must admit I am a bit confused over the warrant situation. Some times it's mentioned the police must have a warrant to access such data but makes no mention of the gambling or H&S boards.

Other times it makes no mention of a warrant.
For data a request must be made to the minsiter not a judge.

Last year rhey granted over 3000 requests.

I expect onfe this is in for that to tripple.
 
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How are they proposing to maintain privacy, if multiple people use a computer, how can asking for one persons data automatically allow you access to everyone else in the household?

Conceptually this act makes absolutely no sense.

They mention something about collateral data collection, so I guess it's like when we spread our civilised and peaceful ways if you get caught up in a bomb blast it's tough ****.
 
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For data a request must be made to the minsiter not a judge.

Last year rhey granted over 3000 requests.

I expect onfe this is in for that to tripple.

Ahh ok. So may as well be free access then.


I wonder who is ultimately liable for the traffic. Say a teenager is looking at porn over the 4 finger rule would the parents paying the bill get done. Well more likely looking at ISIS and competing political party sites.
 
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Looking at the router (just http(s) traffic) we have more than 60 (unique) website connections at any one time - I'm not even going to guess over the course of a day... even with the relatively high compressibility of that data due to repetition they are gonna need quite a bit of storage capacity just for my main connection over the course of a year lol.

I imagine all the data stored will be keyword mined.

The great firewall of the UK has began in earnest. :mad:

Also the data stored will be worth a fortune to advertisers and corporations.

But thinking about it, its a hackers dream and as the data is being collected it will to be connected to the internet.
Most government agencies have a closed intranet, but this **** is a flashing big red target to potential hackers.

How long I have I got left to live 3 score and 10 is it? am 44 so, oh ffs its another 26 years. :(
 
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I imagine all the data stored will be keyword mined.

The great firewall of the UK has began in earnest. :mad:

Also the data stored will be worth a fortune to advertisers and corporations.

But thinking about it, its a hackers dream and as the data is being collected it will to be connected to the internet.
Most government agencies have a closed intranet, but this **** is a flashing big red target to potential hackers.

How long I have I got left to live 3 score and 10 is it? am 44 so, oh ffs its another 26 years. :(

Well they say closed but I would be willing to bet 99% of it is accessible by public lines. It's doubtful they'd foot the cost for a true intranet across the country.
 
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Looking at the router (just http(s) traffic) we have more than 60 (unique) website connections at any one time - I'm not even going to guess over the course of a day... even with the relatively high compressibility of that data due to repetition they are gonna need quite a bit of storage capacity just for my main connection over the course of a year lol.

It probably won't be long until some application is released that just spams random connections to known reputable websites, try to overwhelm the system.
 
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Well they say closed but I would be willing to bet 99% of it is accessible by public lines. It's doubtful they'd foot the cost for a true intranet across the country.

No it is intranet as when I was in the passport office they at the time were building network infrastructure for connection to the DVLA and other agencies.

Its all connected now but its not public as they have an internal system.
Insurance, DVLA, Passports, NHS etc are all connected together now.

But this snooping will need internet access and that is were the danger lies.
 
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No it is intranet as when I was in the passport office they at the time were building network infrastructure for connection to the DVLA and other agencies.

Its all connected now but its not public as they have an internal system.
Insurance, DVLA, Passports, NHS etc are all connected together now.

But this snooping will need internet access and that is were the danger lies.

I stand corrected. I would have presumed it would be a VPN.
 
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And the funny thing is, isps probably all hook into an aws/Google/azure service who are storing all this data and use something like elastic search to index it.
 
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I stand corrected. I would have presumed it would be a VPN.

I'm not sure you should stand corrected.

Whilst intranet can technically be used to describe an "internal network" it's more commonly applied to organisational internal web applications.

It is highly unlikely (though not impossible I'll admit) that the listed applications all run over a single truely private network IMHO.
 
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I'm not sure you should stand corrected.

Whilst intranet can technically be used to describe an "internal network" it's more commonly applied to organisational internal web applications.

It is highly unlikely (though not impossible I'll admit) that the listed applications all run over a single truely private network IMHO.

Its internal trust me I know, we needed a password for internet access when I worked for Defra.

It might piggy back the internet for emails etc, but for classified documents its all internal.

Like the police national crime computer its all internal and they are all linked now, they were not when I worked there but now its all connected. :(
 
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