Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

[asim18]

Yes let's get back on topic.

That link about the interest in infiltrating OVH is pretty significant. OVH is a backbone/high tier international ISP with many services, and most importantly, it's not UK based.

The fact that they want to infiltrate OVH goes hand in hand with how all UK consumer ISPs are now legally required to hand over their data.

The thing is they can legislate for UK ISPs to hand over info. However for ISP's outside UK jurisdiction they need to resort to potential coercion/underhand tactics by spying on the ISP's chief officers. Looks like this game to seize the internet has many vectors.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

They spied on the CEO, not the company. The person. A foreign (French) national in foreign territories. For a test. There are multiple things wrong with that.

 

[asim18]

I didn't say they spied on the company. I'm saying they're spying on the CEO because they don't have legal access to the company.

“People were specifically hunted and targeted by intelligence agencies, not because they did anything wrong, but because they could be used.”
- https://theintercept.com/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

 

[Dj_Jestar]

I didn't say they spied on the company.

Yes you did. You didn't mention the person at all, you only mention the company.

I'm saying they're spying on the CEO because they don't have legal access to the company.

They have even less legal right to spy on the person than they do the company.

 

[asim18]

Yes you did. You didn't mention the person at all, you only mention the company.

In that case you've miscomprehended then. I absolutely did mention the person. I explicitly said "by spying on the ISP's chief officers", NOT the company.

I said "infiltrate" the company, in order to get access to internal ISP records. Not spy on the company, you cant put a company on surveillance lol you put individuals on surveillance.

They have even less legal right to spy on the person than they do the company.

The thing is it's all done covertly. The CEO of the company isn't a terrorist or something, the interest here are his credentials/power within the company which are looking to be exploited.....

“People were specifically hunted and targeted by intelligence agencies, not because they did anything wrong, but because they could be used.”
- https://theintercept.com/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

 

[Mynight]

I must admit I find it amusing how the petition has exploaded since the porn sites picked it up .

112k in what 5 days? Porn sites = 62k in a day .

 

[Dj_Jestar]

In that case you've miscomprehended then. I absolutely did mention the person. I explicitly said "by spying on the ISP's chief officers", NOT the company.

I said "infiltrate" the company, in order to get access to internal ISP records. Not spy on the company, you cant put a company on surveillance lol you put individuals on surveillance.



The thing is it's all done covertly. The CEO of the company isn't a terrorist or something, the interest here are his credentials/power within the company which are looking to be exploited.....

“People were specifically hunted and targeted by intelligence agencies, not because they did anything wrong, but because they could be used.”
- https://theintercept.com/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

again.. just what is your point? GCHQ spied on a French national, not in UK territory, just to test the system. I don't see why you are wibbling on about his role in a/any company at all. The spied on someone, illegally, just for the lulz. I, nor anyone else, cares if it was to "infiltrate a company" or not. It was illegal spying. That's the point here. Not "Why do you think they did this?" but "They did this!"

 

[datalol-jack]

I must admit I find it amusing how the petition has exploaded since the porn sites picked it up .

112k in what 5 days? Porn sites = 62k in a day .

The petition spam is a good gig. It keeps firing shots across their bow, whilst other action can be arranged. If they reject enough of them, you could make it into more of an issue for the media to notice. Don't forget to routinely annoy your MP too. Pressure is never futile -- humans crack eventually.

 

[asim18]

again.. just what is your point? GCHQ spied on a French national, not in UK territory, just to test the system. I don't see why you are wibbling on about his role in a/any company at all. The spied on someone, illegally, just for the lulz. I, nor anyone else, cares if it was to "infiltrate a company" or not. It was illegal spying. That's the point here. Not "Why do you think they did this?" but "They did this!"

My point is that you were wrong Do I really have to explain it again? I didn't say "the company" as you miscomprehended, I did in fact explicitly refer to "the chief officers".

If you don't care about the significance of the fact that this man is a CEO of a major international ISP, and are naively assuming that they happened to put the CEO of one of the biggest ISPs in EUROPE on surveillance by pure pot luck due to a "test", and then also don't care about relating it to the topic of this thread, then why don't you just go away, troll?

I'm losing IQ points reading your inanity.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Your point is "The end justifies the means" twaddle, then. Even though there was no end because they weren't even using it for anything more than a test. K.

 

[asim18]

Your point is "The end justifies the means" twaddle, then. Even though there was no end because they weren't even using it for anything more than a test. K.

No. Wrong again.

One of the points was that there was no test. How can you be so naive given NSA/GCHQ's current interest in seizing as much internet as possible?

You also keep selectively ignoring this quote: “People were specifically hunted and targeted by intelligence agencies, not because they did anything wrong, but because they could be used.”
- https://theintercept.com/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/



First you say "They have even less legal right to spy on the person than they do the company.", then you go around assuming they put people of key interest on surveillance for testing purposes? Yeah makes perfect sense breaking laws for testing purposes doesn't it?


Agent Smith: 'Chief, we need to test out surveillance capabilities"
Chief: 'I know Agent Smith! Test your capabilities on the CEO of the biggest ISP in Europe why don't you"
Agent Smith: 'That's a marvellous idea for a test, chief"

You're a right laugh. I'm in stitches again.

 

[Nevakonaza]

Im wondering how this will affect our bills for internet,You guys think our subscription prices will go up due to additional blocking (and keeping on top of blocking) +logging & holding data of what people are doing for long periods of time?

i can only see the ISPs shoving the costs of this to the customer. :/

 

[Mynight]

Pretty much. We're going to be paying for it one way or another either through subscription or in the slim chance the government picks up the bill for ISPs we'll be paying via taxs.

Be interesting to see how much it costs. I can't imagine it will be cheap by any means.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

No. Wrong again.

One of the points was that there was no test. How can you be so naive given NSA/GCHQ's current interest in seizing as much internet as possible?

You also keep selectively ignoring this quote: “People were specifically hunted and targeted by intelligence agencies, not because they did anything wrong, but because they could be used.”
- https://theintercept.com/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/



First you say "They have even less legal right to spy on the person than they do the company.", then you go around assuming they put people of key interest on surveillance for testing purposes? Yeah makes perfect sense breaking laws for testing purposes doesn't it?


Agent Smith: 'Chief, we need to test out surveillance capabilities"
Chief: 'I know Agent Smith! Test your capabilities on the CEO of the biggest ISP in Europe why don't you"
Agent Smith: 'That's a marvellous idea for a test, chief"

You're a right laugh. I'm in stitches again.

A new report published by Le Monde (in partnership with The Intercept) found OVH CEO Octave Klaba’s name on a list of “interesting names” used as part of a metadata test by GCHQ

Octave Klaba is one the major figures of the French technology scene. His email address appears on a GCHQ interception test report.

Do keep up.

 

[oldbag]

Yes let's get back on topic.

That link about the interest in infiltrating OVH is pretty significant. OVH is a backbone/high tier international ISP with many services, and most importantly, it's not UK based.

The fact that they want to infiltrate OVH goes hand in hand with how all UK consumer ISPs are now legally required to hand over their data.

The thing is they can legislate for UK ISPs to hand over info. However for ISP's outside UK jurisdiction they need to resort to potential coercion/underhand tactics by spying on the ISP's chief officers. Looks like this game to seize the internet has many vectors.

If you think about the number of ways routers in these backbone data centres can be compromised (custom firmware, back door access) id imagine OVH have been done long ago. I've read stories of ciscos being hijacked mid delivery, back doors added and then sent on their way.

This law isn't about catching terrorists, they can do that already - it is about universal monitoring of the populous in order to build a profile on individuals and use it to shape laws in the future or prosecute people, etc etc. And now that this is law, they can easily access this data and use it.

Collecting of this data should not, in my opinion, be managed by any government, it should be with agencies who are independent.

 

[itchy]

Are you happy with the investigatory powers bill being passed?

Summary.............................

Yes, I fully agree with it. 12- 2.53% <<< Either CID or work for the government security services.

Yes, but I am uncomfortable with certain aspects of it. 25- 5.26%<<< coppers and civil servants.

I am undecided. 21- 4.42%<<< Students.

No, but I do agree with parts of it. 83- 17.47% <<< Need to read more.

No, I fully disagree with it. 334- 70.32%<<< I have faith in OCUK's members.

I have found a way to get back one of my old torrent sites, mass fausting and midget porn downloads commencing on my real ip address.

F'em! If everyone is being naughty what are they going to do? Nothing at all as the is no way in this world they could prosecute say 5million people or even 1million when you think about it.

But no doubt the sheep will follow and I will as will many others just disappear into the VPN underground with browsing habits.

 

[asim18]

Do keep up.

You can't be serious. What I'm saying is that the CEO has NOT been randomly picked. There has been an active decision made which said the particular CEO needs to be included in this test phase. You seem to be thinking the fact that its labelled a "test" means that surveillance agencies involved will never go out of the testing phase lol or that somehow the fact that its a test means that its not really happening or something??

It was in 2009 lmao. We're WELL out of the testing phase. So how about you keep up?

 

[SixTwoSix]

I must admit I find it amusing how the petition has exploaded since the porn sites picked it up .

112k in what 5 days? Porn sites = 62k in a day .

It was on about 155k two days ago

You mean this one right, been checking it every morning to see if people were still signing.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199

 

[Dj_Jestar]

You can't be serious. What I'm saying is that the CEO has NOT been randomly picked. There has been an active decision made which said the particular CEO needs to be included in this test phase. You seem to be thinking the fact that its labelled a "test" means that surveillance agencies involved will never go out of the testing phase lol or that somehow the fact that its a test means that its not really happening or something??

It was in 2009 lmao. We're WELL out of the testing phase. So how about you keep up?

Nobody said he was randomly picked.

Oh read the date of the article. It was published yesterday.

 

[Mynight]

It was on about 155k two days ago

You mean this one right, been checking it every morning to see if people were still signing.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199

O my bad. Could have sworn when I looked yesterday it was only around 112k .


Damn good for nothing porn sites .

Edit: Just checked on the way back machine clearly I've missed a couple of days here sorry.