So you support Scotland/Wales/NI./Cornwall leaving the Union?
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So you support Scotland/Wales/NI./Cornwall leaving the Union?
That's what I don't get, Most Brexiteers are against Scotland leaving and think they are mad.
But the arguments they believe in as a good reason to leave the EU applies to Scotland leaving too.
Soldato
Well that ship has sailed.
Most of them voted Conservative to stop the SNP pushing for a second indy ref.
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Since I'm not Scots/Welsh/Ulster or Cornish it's none of my business really, however had Scotland voted to become independent then I would have supported that decision. One thing I can tell you is that I would have been very disappointed with my government if they'd tried to make life difficult for Scotland over Scottish Independence as the EU are doing to us over UK Independence. I don't support a new Scottish referendum because you can't really keep holding referendums until you get the result you want, I don't regard that as democratic - EU should take note. I don't see any great demand for a referendum on Welsh or Cornish independence, the situation in NI is a bit more complicated because of the GFA. Like I said, none of my business really - if they want to leave the UK they should be able to.
Seen environmental protection and climate change before?
The scaremongering media that are overwhelmingly critical of the EU?
The other issue with the EU fallacy is that the criticism and negativity towards it hasn't just occurred, it's been ever pervasive for decades. You could have an argument there if many of the people that voted Leave used to be pro EU, but that's very unlikely.
What young people are seeing, that the older people are not - having settled down, owned their own home and had their kids and not too interesting moving - is that leaving the EU is going to have massive repercussions on opportunities for them, even if it's just the reduction in opportunity to live and work in a much wider area than just the UK.
And as already mentioned, you think the young only voted labour for free tuition fees? The only young people that would be affected by that are the 18-20 year olds, and even then considering how fees have been enacted in the past it would only be those that plan on going later in life that would be affected - the changes have only ever affected those not currently in the system.
Edit: and I'd still like to discuss the actual question. It's pretty consistent across many countries, not just the UK so Brexit is just one example. Republican supporters are another prime example as I mentioned, being anti climate change legislation, anti environmental protection and seemingly anti free trade and immigration.
Soldato
Best reason to leave the EU is knowing who is directly responsible for the power controlling the land. That shouldn't be taken for granted.
MEPs are basically the worst of the crop. It amazes me they get so much oversight to every nation in the EU.
I'm 50/50 on the whole thing. But to say there aren't any benefits to leaving just isn't true.
I don't buy the whole "less influence on the world stage" nonsense. Countries come direct to us, and will continue doing so.
Financially is where we risk oblivion. But then you got to ask, would most people be any worse off? I highly doubt it. If you've got no savings and can't afford to save, then you just make do and will continue to make do.
MEPs are basically the worst of the crop. It amazes me they get so much oversight to every nation in the EU.
I'm 50/50 on the whole thing. But to say there aren't any benefits to leaving just isn't true.
I don't buy the whole "less influence on the world stage" nonsense. Countries come direct to us, and will continue doing so.
Financially is where we risk oblivion. But then you got to ask, would most people be any worse off? I highly doubt it. If you've got no savings and can't afford to save, then you just make do and will continue to make do.
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John Major saying the DUP deal is a bad idea now.
Soldato
It is. I don't even know why they did it. They didn't need the DUP to form a minority government. It's ridiculous.
Soldato
jerbs we don't want.
I'm guessing it was the hours on a 12-hour shift 4 on 4 off factory work is deemed too much for many people. Recruiting local people for Dairy Crest in Gloucestershire proved so hard. The pay was good when I worked there even if the work was mind-numbingly boring. But no beyond a handful of managers and engineers most of the workforce was immigrant.
I don't know, it's a terribly british attitude to not rock the boat when all is dandy. Climate change deniers in the US are a totally different kettle of fish almost militant about it. Some of the far right just believe we should be focussed on space travel now and that this world is done for.
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The DUP received - 292,316 votes = 10 Seats
The Greens received - 524,604 votes = 01 Seat
That's not my idea of democracy, first past the post is a joke and needs scrapping asap.
No it's not, the older generation know Life without the EU is possible, a lot of the youth have been told if we leave the sky will fall in
If it keeps the greens out, it's working
Worse off? Proof please, or are you continuing project fear
except you're not voting for the party.
its not one election its lots of small ones, in a constituency you vote for the mp, the votes in other constituencies dont count so including them is misrepresenting it as a party election.
other wise you could have say cheshire voting for conservatives but being given a labour mp because labour got lots of votes nation wide.
A 3.5% swing in the last Scottish Indy ref would have seen the leave vote the same as Brexit!
I also don't support indy2 or any other myopic nationalists, I even entertained the potential benefits of brexit, though on average argued it was too risky that close to 2008 and Indy ref1.
That said you laying all the blame at the EU's door for the ineptitude of the current government is something of a joke! We have a "world sized" negotiating problem, let's invite the most divisive US president in my life time for a full state visit faster than any potus in history, suggest the team we are negotiating with in the EU are interfering with a pointless election we called and go cap in hand to the Commonwealth to come away with nothing!
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After having benefited their whole lives from it, of course.
Even the most Tory of Tories, Thatcher, thought the single market was a good idea.
#sigh# I hate the whole "project fear" label, using the same hyperbole I could well call the Brexit campaign "project idiot".
Proportional rep and FPTP both have advantages and disadvantages. FPTP is a better way to more effectively get majority governments but it results in uneven representation in govt. Swings and roundabouts really
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again the issue i take with this argument is ok it's a point, but i've yet to been shown this supposedly extensive list of laws voted in by the "unelected eu officials" that are providing such a detriment to our country, yet things like free trade, free travel, working time directive, hell even the tpd have all provided tangible benefits.
this is the older generation who was doing so well without the eu they voted to join it?
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