"Swatting" incident ends in death

Fuzz · 30 Dec 2017 at 20:41

If you have police pointing guns at you and you get told to put your hands up and then twice drop your hands to your waist and then make some sort of sudden raising of ones hands again towards one of the officers, prepare to be shot...

How true that is, we'll just have to wait for the body cam, much in the same way as the dude in the corridor of the hotel repeatedly put his hands behind his back resulted in the same outcome a while back (despite the terrible orders of the officer in charge)

Fuzz · 30 Dec 2017 at 21:36

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Update 12:25 p.m.

The LA County Sheriff's Department lists Tyler Barriss, 25, arrested at 3:15 p.m. Friday local time in Los Angeles on a felony charge.

The booking report doesn't specifically list the exact charge at this time."

Diddums · 30 Dec 2017 at 21:42

Hopefully they ruin his life.

cheesyboy · 30 Dec 2017 at 21:44

Nasher said:
Actually I think they can in some states. There have been people done for murder because they drove the killer to the victims house. Even though they never got out of the car.

Depending on where they are, the caller could take some accountability for the death.

There was a guy convicted under felony murder for loaning a car to a friend who then used it to rob a house, and the only death was one of his fellow burglars: shot by the householder.

It's a ****** up legal system in the USA

opstrat · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:03

seems the police are trying to push the media towards the guy who made the 911 call and nothing mentioned about weather the officer was in the wrong or not.

an interview with the police chief says that the deputy "feared that the man just pulled a weapon from his waistband, retrieve the gun and proceeded to point the gun to the officers in the east"

sound like a jumpy officer with itchy fingers. no mention whether they retrieved a weapon or not.

Roar87 · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:07

opstrat said:
seems the police are trying to push the media towards the guy who made the 911 call and nothing mentioned about weather the officer was in the wrong or not.

an interview with the police chief says that the deputy "feared that the man just pulled a weapon from his waistband, retrieve the gun and proceeded to point the gun to the officers in the east"

sound like a jumpy officer with itchy fingers. no mention whether they retrieved a weapon or not.

Probably just a normal bloke doing a difficult job with not enough training in difficult circumstances who wanted to make sure his mate came home from work that day

Fuzz · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:11

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Two-critically-injured-in-W-Wichita-shooting-467049153.html

Fuzz · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:17

always late said:
Hopefully they ruin his life.

He's been arrested before for similar (threat) offences it seems! #Facepalm
What a complete brainless nugget.

adolf hamster · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:38

well isn't this incident just about every problem with america rolled into one:

violent video games- check
just a prank bro- check
heavily armed and nervous police officers- check
someone assumed to be armed because 'merica- check

all we need is a trump tweet and an iraqveteran rant video and we'll have a full house!

rubberduck · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:39

It is annoying when people don't pay up after having a bet.

antijoke · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:50

Roar87 said:
Probably just a normal bloke doing a difficult job with not enough training in difficult circumstances who wanted to make sure his mate came home from work that day

They were SWAT officers, not just some fat cop who just finished his donut and coffee.

neoboy · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:52

Apparently the guy has been arrested before for a bomb threat too. Also he didn't just call with, "I saw a gun in a window" scenario, went full throttle on this one:

the department received a call that someone had an argument with their mother, that the father had been shot in the head and the shooter was holding his mother, brother and sister hostage

As far as Police were concerned they were dealing with an active shooter scenario which does create a very dangerous situation as they are trained to handle these incidents in a very aggressive manner. They really could have handled this better and doesn't vindicate their actions but knowing how trigger happy they can be over there, you either have to be a complete idiot to do this or have actual malice in your actions, hoping something like this happens.

I've watched the video in the very first link and it's not the best quality but my first reaction is that between 0.06 and 0.07 it looked like he actually raised his hands forward like he was aiming something at them, you can see it in slow motion at around 0.41s. Still no reason for a killing but it's not just me who's seeing that?

rubberduck · 30 Dec 2017 at 22:58

antijoke said:
They were SWAT officers, not just some fat cop who just finished his donut and coffee.

Why would being fat make a cop more trigger happy? I suppose the black cop guy in die hard was a case but maybe that was because he was black rather than fat. Who knows?

Glaucus · 30 Dec 2017 at 23:06

Professional American policing again. And some people want uk officers armed.

Fuzz said:
If you have police pointing guns at you and you get told to put your hands up and then twice drop your hands to your waist and then make some sort of sudden raising of ones hands again towards one of the officers, prepare to be shot...

How true that is, we'll just have to wait for the body cam, much in the same way as the dude in the corridor of the hotel repeatedly put his hands behind his back resulted in the same outcome a while back (despite the terrible orders of the officer in charge)

I can't see it being true, maybe a cover up. If that happened more than one officer would have shot in all likely hood. There's also no reason for American cops to shoot so fast, uk armed response do not shoot so fast with hand movements etc.

Sounds like rubbish American policing again, can never understand why people want uk officers armed, you lose the training and standards and just isn't needed.

adolf hamster · 30 Dec 2017 at 23:14

Glaucus said:
Professional American policing again. And some people want uk officers armed.

I can't see it being true, maybe a cover up. If that happened more than one officer would have shot in all likely hood. There's also no reason for American cops to shoot so fast, uk armed response do not shoot so fast with hand movements etc.

Sounds like rubbish American policing again, can never understand why people want uk officers armed, you lose the training and standards and just isn't needed.

are we really going to start that debate again?

neoboy · 30 Dec 2017 at 23:16

Not sure UK Policing has any relevance here? We have a very different society requiring a different approach which seems to be working just fine at the moment in terms of how our force is armed.

dowie · 30 Dec 2017 at 23:21

Well there are incidents where armed officers are called in the UK.

The shooting does seem dubious, guy was by himself, officers were some distance from him and behind cover... yet the slightest movement caused one of them to shoot - does seem like the cop got rather trigger happy. He's not made any threats to them, they've not seen a weapon, they're pretty safe regardless...

Adam_151 · 31 Dec 2017 at 00:16

Has anyone here ever read a book called blink by a chap called Malcolm Gladwelll ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blink-Power-Thinking-Without/dp/0141014598 ) theres a few of these "US cop shoots first and asks questions later" situations featured in it, the basic premise is that the subconscious mind makes connections for us, but they arn't always the right ones, they can be influenced by prejudice, etc and in one case left the police absolutely convinced they had killed a guy who had a gun, but it was no where to be found afterwards... because it was never there at all. It goes a bit into the work of the chap who the TV series "Lie to me" was based on

Boycey0211 · 31 Dec 2017 at 00:53

So over a stunt 2 children will grow up without a father.

Not even starting over the police argument, because when you arm an entire country you can to some extent expect them to be twitchy as ****.

Of course only one of them will get any punishment for what they did, and it won't be the trigger puller.

VincentHanna · 31 Dec 2017 at 01:08

Fuzz said:
If you have police pointing guns at you and you get told to put your hands up and then twice drop your hands to your waist and then make some sort of sudden raising of ones hands again towards one of the officers, prepare to be shot...

How true that is, we'll just have to wait for the body cam, much in the same way as the dude in the corridor of the hotel repeatedly put his hands behind his back resulted in the same outcome a while back (despite the terrible orders of the officer in charge)

And if you had been drinking really heavily and were woken by a SWAT team? Or were medicated for some reason?

Who knows how/why people react.

Look at that video recently of the drunk guy who was trying to pull his 'pants' up that was shot by the cop.