AMD CES 2018

jigger · 10 Jan 2018 at 03:18

Rroff said:
Spot on - why anyone would have hope after Polaris and then Vega I have no idea - they pretty much need to knuckle down and prove themselves with a shrunk and refreshed Vega or they might as well not exist in this market. If nVidia did release a 10 or 7nm gaming optimised architecture early this year I can't see how they could reply to that.

You as well?

Vega is a great card, Polaris is OK. Sort out availability and I'd take a Vega 56 for gaming over anything.

iBSOD · 10 Jan 2018 at 04:30

So they didn't even mention increased availability for Vega 56/64?

D.P. · 10 Jan 2018 at 05:44

FoxEye said:
Yeah you got me. Anyone that says anything about AMD that isn't gushing praise is not only wrong, but deluded and biased for nV. I've been unmasked! I actually sleep on a bed constructed of Titan Vs, have a life-sized JSH pillow that I sleep with, and accidentally his face on my

That is this forum to a T.

AMD's roadmap and announcements were completely clear and unambiguous.

Vega 7nm Sampling by end of year and focused on AI.

Martini1991 · 10 Jan 2018 at 07:55

jigger said:
Vega is a great card, Polaris is OK. Sort out availability and I'd take a Vega 56 for gaming over anything.

I don't understand how vega can be quantified as "great". It was late to the party and doesn't offer the best performance. How can that be quantified as great? Sufficient is more like it.

JediFragger · 10 Jan 2018 at 08:03

Polaris rebrand incoming....!

Glaucus · 10 Jan 2018 at 09:41

anyone know any benchmarks for these intel and amd new pairings? the machines look great.
in particular, the new 15" hp spectre 360 with 4k screen.

subbytna · 10 Jan 2018 at 09:58

Martini1991 said:
I don't understand how vega can be quantified as "great". It was late to the party and doesn't offer the best performance. How can that be quantified as great? Sufficient is more like it.

It has benefits like ichill which can save a pile of electricity when you're playing non intensive games.

Yaayuh! · 10 Jan 2018 at 10:04

subbytna said:
It has benefits like ichill which can save a pile of electricity when you're playing non intensive games.

To offset the fact it requires a separate small generator to run the card?

Martini1991 said:
I don't understand how vega can be quantified as "great". It was late to the party and doesn't offer the best performance. How can that be quantified as great? Sufficient is more like it.

Adequate.

ubersonic · 10 Jan 2018 at 10:05

Martini1991 said:
I don't understand how vega can be quantified as "great".

It was a great card at RRP, early adopters got a steal. But at £900 it's a complete joke lol, however inflated prices thanks to supply/demand issues make it a bad deal, not a bad card.

Aa83 · 10 Jan 2018 at 10:17

ubersonic said:
It was a great card at RRP, early adopters got a steal. But at £900 it's a complete joke lol, however inflated prices thanks to supply/demand issues make it a bad deal, not a bad card.

Also, I think the value of the card and it's usefulness increases if you also mine with it while not gaming. So even those high prices we are now seeing can be offset somewhat (if all goes well with your chosen cryptocurrency).

Martini1991 · 10 Jan 2018 at 10:37

subbytna said:
It has benefits like ichill which can save a pile of electricity when you're playing non intensive games.

That doesn't make the card great.
You can limit frame rate in games and all sorts regardless of your gpu or vendor

Martini1991 · 10 Jan 2018 at 10:38

ubersonic said:
It was a great card at RRP, early adopters got a steal. But at £900 it's a complete joke lol, however inflated prices thanks to supply/demand issues make it a bad deal, not a bad card.

Why was it a great card at its 1080 matching rrp? Its basically on par performance wise with negatives.

The card is literally adequate.

D.P. · 10 Jan 2018 at 10:53

ubersonic said:
It was a great card at RRP, early adopters got a steal. But at £900 it's a complete joke lol, however inflated prices thanks to supply/demand issues make it a bad deal, not a bad card.

It was never great at RRP: late, underperforming, massive power draw and heat output,overpriced

ubersonic · 10 Jan 2018 at 11:00

Martini1991 said:
Why was it a great card at its 1080 matching rrp? Its basically on par performance wise with negatives.

Negatives and positives.

Granted if you wanted an Nvidia card called 1080 then it was a terrible option, if 1080 performance for 980ti power consumption and heat generation terrified you it was a terrible option, if you owned a G-Sync monitor it was a terrible option, if you only ever play Borderlands, Metro and Batman games with PhysX it was a terrible option.

But on the flipside if none of the 1080s advantages mattered to you then then it was essentially a level playing field, and if the Vega's advantages instead mattered to you then it was simply the better option.

sideways14a · 10 Jan 2018 at 11:39

Vega is pretty good, well the 56 was at rrp.
At the prices they are going for the now though, er well thats just hilarious - but then we all know why that is.

LoadsaMoney · 10 Jan 2018 at 11:40

subbytna said:
It has benefits like ichill which can save a pile of electricity when you're playing non intensive games.

Im going back through Black Mesa again at the minute, RTSS capped to 80fps, and according to the wattage, my 64s only using about 67

opethdisciple · 10 Jan 2018 at 11:50

I'm personally optimistic about AMD GPU's.

Yea Vega is basically like the FX series of CPU's.

But, prior to rRzen no one gave AMD a hope to pull off what they did with Ryzen.

Presumably Ryzen will take care of it's self over the next 3-4 years so if they can divert all those resources that made Ryzen a good product towards Radeon GPU's then I am optimistic they can make a good GPU series in the next 1-2 years.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Jan 2018 at 12:47

There is another Vega based card being released this year - interestingly a midrange part with 64 ROPS. All AMD midrange cards have had 32 ROPS,so it makes me wonder whether they are rebalanced internally.

Steampunk · 10 Jan 2018 at 12:58

opethdisciple said:
I'm personally optimistic about AMD GPU's.

Yea Vega is basically like the FX series of CPU's.

But, prior to rRzen no one gave AMD a hope to pull off what they did with Ryzen.

Presumably Ryzen will take care of it's self over the next 3-4 years so if they can divert all those resources that made Ryzen a good product towards Radeon GPU's then I am optimistic they can make a good GPU series in the next 1-2 years.

Everyone's optimistic, but four out of five times AMD manage to come up with a disappointment. When is AMD going to finally realise their potential and start producing good GPU products at decent prices? How much hype and hope did we have for Vega?

Since R290 it's just been variations on the same theme, with the experimental Fury and now unavailable, under-performing, overpriced Vega thrown in. AMD might have good plans, but their execution sucks again and again.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Jan 2018 at 13:03

Steampunk said:
Everyone's optimistic, but four out of five times AMD manage to come up with a disappointment. When is AMD going to finally realise their potential and start producing good GPU products at decent prices? How much hype and hope did we have for Vega?

Since R290 it's just been variations on the same theme, with the experimental Fury and now unavailable, under-performing, overpriced Vega thrown in. AMD might have good plans, but their execution sucks again and again.

Which seems to coincide with them pushing more R and D towards Ryzen development. Hopefully,now they can start to concentrate on the GPU side more.