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You're the one who's claiming that the police themselves are causing more crime directly on purpose, simply to justify more money and resource - which is conspiracy theorist guff.
Crime Up, Knife Crime Up, Gun Crime Up
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You're the one who's claiming that the police themselves are causing more crime directly on purpose, simply to justify more money and resource - which is conspiracy theorist guff.
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This is Asim we are talking about...
Stop suckering me in pls. I never said police CAUSE crime DIRECTLY. Stop making crap up now. If anyone CAUSES any crime then they are the criminal.
Soldato
Not just the cuts to police, but the privatisation and fragmentation of the probation service is to blame as well. The police catch criminals. The probation service actively works to prevent crime from happening in the first place. By privatising it, a lot of the work in schools, youth centres and troubled families - steering young people away from crime, was scaled back - if not stopped entirely, as this wasn't part of the private firms SLA's.
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They're basically ADVERTISING the fact that people can get away with thefts under £200. That is just stupid and it actually backs up what I said, they're just trying to warrant more police because if they didn't suddenly advertise the fact that under £200 is a free for all then there would be no palaver lol.
So they advertise that £200 and under is OK, then they blame the increase in under £200 thefts on the fact that there isn't enough police. Hahahaha.
If you're allowing a group of people to commit theft whilst advertising that you won't go after them - with the sole intention of using that immediate increase in crime, to get more police and funding, then that implies that it is absolutely being done directly and on purpose.
Frame that in the context of your original post, which stated that it's mind control propaganda designed to make people think they need more police - which would ultimately imply that the police/government are doing it on purpose.. Because how the hell could that happen by accident.....?
Soldato
Oh, and before blaming the Tories for making cuts, just remember why they've had to make cuts. There's no more money.
There never really is any money
Most money is just created out of thin air, then the citizens have to work their entire lives and only manage to make half the money that was created, and the rest of the debt gets passed on, burdening and enslaving the next generation.
until they want to vote for a payrise and the magical money tree gets shaken
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Knife crime has sky rocketed where I live. I think what has happened is that the City of Liverpool has been getting urban regeneration for quite a while, a lot of the people who lived in the city have been scattered around the surrounding areas.
In my town we have started to see that a lot of people who have been banned from the city centre have taken it upon themselves to wreak havoc here instead. We have seen quite a few stabbings and murders recently, that's on top of the recent spate of stabbings commited by locals.
With the lack of Police available it makes criminals more bold. There is still an unresolved murder from November that they are appealing for information about. The guy was 29, a former swimmer at my daughter's club, and was just out having a drink with relatives who had come to visit. He was stabbed and killed by a thug on a dirt bike and it appears that the local community have closed up and decided to protect the killers.
Over Christmas there was a large spate of break-ins, more than usual. There has been a rash of vandalism with people deciding to torch cars in the night.
I have NEVER seen it so bad here. I was talking to my wife that I wouldn't be surprised if residents start taking it upon themselves to "enforce" the law and, low and behold, she found a vigilante group that sprung up online.
In my town we have started to see that a lot of people who have been banned from the city centre have taken it upon themselves to wreak havoc here instead. We have seen quite a few stabbings and murders recently, that's on top of the recent spate of stabbings commited by locals.
With the lack of Police available it makes criminals more bold. There is still an unresolved murder from November that they are appealing for information about. The guy was 29, a former swimmer at my daughter's club, and was just out having a drink with relatives who had come to visit. He was stabbed and killed by a thug on a dirt bike and it appears that the local community have closed up and decided to protect the killers.
Over Christmas there was a large spate of break-ins, more than usual. There has been a rash of vandalism with people deciding to torch cars in the night.
I have NEVER seen it so bad here. I was talking to my wife that I wouldn't be surprised if residents start taking it upon themselves to "enforce" the law and, low and behold, she found a vigilante group that sprung up online.
The Police probably needs a budget increase, it's not very much spending compared to things like the NHS and Pensions. The Tories aren't to blame, Labour aren't tough on crime, they just waste money.
The thing is, you actually want to pay MPs well so you attract good people to do the job. Never quite understood the logic of wanting the people who run the country to be low paid, what does that achieve? Low quality candidates or people who don't need the money (aka corrupt Politicians who are there to benefit private companies/individuals)
The thing is, you actually want to pay MPs well so you attract good people to do the job. Never quite understood the logic of wanting the people who run the country to be low paid, what does that achieve? Low quality candidates or people who don't need the money (aka corrupt Politicians who are there to benefit private companies/individuals)
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I'm not sure money is the whole story. People these days genuinely seem not to give two craps about each other.
It's probably all inter-related. Not giving two craps about your employees means you pay them less and put them on **** 0-hour contracts. Or outsource/bring in cheap labour.
Tory govts obviously don't give two craps about the poor, and would rather send them all off to Poundland as free labour then do anything to help them.
I think perhaps the people at the bottom see that nobody gives a crap about them, and in turn feel utterly uninvested in society/unable to give a crap about anyone else (esp if better off).
So money maybe a symptom of basically nobody caring at all.
New Labour’s old soundbite was “Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”. That’s on the money, if you ask me.
If you throw disadvantaged people under a bus, like the Tories do, there will be a rise in crime.
It’s not surprising that homelessness is also rocketing.
If you throw disadvantaged people under a bus, like the Tories do, there will be a rise in crime.
It’s not surprising that homelessness is also rocketing.
Yeah I'd agree with that analysis.
I'm not an expert on statistics or where to find them, however it would seem that the growing gap between rich and poor, over roughly the same time period correlates with rising rates of crime, along with the severity of crime (eg; knife attacks > acid attacks)
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If you have Netflix - there's a new documentary series called "Dirty Money" if you check out the episode "Payday" goes into one of the most ridiculous examples of the rich exploiting the poor I've ever seen,
Lack of resources vs increase in demand, plain and simple. I see it first-hand, the level of demand on the police is growing and yet they're somehow expected to do more with less. England and Wales have 20,000 fewer police officers than it had in 2010, and significantly fewer police staff too. Specialist units/teams are being scaled back, for example Hampshire is set to lose 15 dogs / handlers, 20 Roads Policing officers, 4 firearms officers, 16 officers from intel, 12 surveillance officers and 27 support unit officers due to budget constraints this year. That's despite the supposed uplift in funding from Government for firearms/CT-related roles.
It doesn't take long for criminality to realise this and use it to their advantage.
It doesn't take long for criminality to realise this and use it to their advantage.
low paid? what other job lets you claim all your living expenses as well as take a nice salary? yet we still get idiots like the mp famous for not being able to 1+1=2 DIANE ABBOTT