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Release date of a chip is not the same as first production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_nanometer
On April 23, 2012, Intel Core i7 and Intel Core i5 processors based on Intel's Ivy Bridge 22 nm technology for series 7 chipsets went on sale worldwide.[6] Volume production of 22 nm processors began more than six months earlier, as confirmed by former Intel CEO Paul Otellini on October 19, 2011.
They clearly spent 6-9 months in production prior to release and that enabled them to lead with the chip they wanted to first. It was also a 160mm2 chip. I don't understand where you are coming from but you definitely didn't prove anyone wrong here - you just quoted an unrelated date that supported your story not the production facts. They didn't produce the quad core first - they produced a large volume of 160mm2 chips and built stock by harvesting the ones they could to be Quad cores and the rest to be dual cores.
More to the point we can look at all the history we want - if you believe the roadmaps Intel are going to release Y and U grade Icelake on 10nm before they go to server chips and they are squeezing in Cascade lake and Cooper Lake onto the desktop before Icelake.
That shows that they have a clear small low powered pipecleaner chip before they are releasing the Server chips. But both you and Drunkenmaster seem to agree - you are just arguing over, I am not even sure what.
It also suggests two things - that while they are able to scale cores and power efficiency on 10nm they have hit a speedwall which is what they have struggled to overcome, negatively impacting single core IPC - hence mobile and server chips as they are less sensitive to single core IPC and more sensitive to Power usage and core count. This would be awesome news for AMD with Epyc 2 and 3 series, especially since Intel are not even predicting 10nm Server chips till Q3 2019 which will have given AMD clear blue water for a while.
Second that they believe that with Cascade and Cooper Lake that they are capable of higher single core IPC on their 14nm process than AMD are going to be able to hit next year. If AMD can release a 7nm Desktop processor in 2019 that takes the single core IPC crown it will be almost 12 months before Intel can respond.
I don't see there being any major roadblock to AMD having an amazing financial outlook through to 2h2020 at this point, I just wish I had some spare cash to speculate.
GPU's... there are not enough hints to guess at - but the CPU division is going to be capable of carrying AMD next year, I just hope that they use that financial fortitude to build a GPU that people want to buy - if they don't have some secret sauce already on route.
Release date of a chip is not the same as first production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_nanometer
On April 23, 2012, Intel Core i7 and Intel Core i5 processors based on Intel's Ivy Bridge 22 nm technology for series 7 chipsets went on sale worldwide.[6] Volume production of 22 nm processors began more than six months earlier, as confirmed by former Intel CEO Paul Otellini on October 19, 2011.
They clearly spent 6-9 months in production prior to release and that enabled them to lead with the chip they wanted to first. It was also a 160mm2 chip. I don't understand where you are coming from but you definitely didn't prove anyone wrong here - you just quoted an unrelated date that supported your story not the production facts. They didn't produce the quad core first - they produced a large volume of 160mm2 chips and built stock by harvesting the ones they could to be Quad cores and the rest to be dual cores.
More to the point we can look at all the history we want - if you believe the roadmaps Intel are going to release Y and U grade Icelake on 10nm before they go to server chips and they are squeezing in Cascade lake and Cooper Lake onto the desktop before Icelake.
That shows that they have a clear small low powered pipecleaner chip before they are releasing the Server chips. But both you and Drunkenmaster seem to agree - you are just arguing over, I am not even sure what.
It also suggests two things - that while they are able to scale cores and power efficiency on 10nm they have hit a speedwall which is what they have struggled to overcome, negatively impacting single core IPC - hence mobile and server chips as they are less sensitive to single core IPC and more sensitive to Power usage and core count. This would be awesome news for AMD with Epyc 2 and 3 series, especially since Intel are not even predicting 10nm Server chips till Q3 2019 which will have given AMD clear blue water for a while.
Second that they believe that with Cascade and Cooper Lake that they are capable of higher single core IPC on their 14nm process than AMD are going to be able to hit next year. If AMD can release a 7nm Desktop processor in 2019 that takes the single core IPC crown it will be almost 12 months before Intel can respond.
I don't see there being any major roadblock to AMD having an amazing financial outlook through to 2h2020 at this point, I just wish I had some spare cash to speculate.
GPU's... there are not enough hints to guess at - but the CPU division is going to be capable of carrying AMD next year, I just hope that they use that financial fortitude to build a GPU that people want to buy - if they don't have some secret sauce already on route.
According to the latest data from Mindfactory (Link), a big hardware retailer in Germany, AMD has overtaken Intel in number of CPU’s sold in July.
On the graph, we can see AMD’s 1600 CPU still remains their best seller followed by the 2700k at second place.
The 2600 series combined sold almost twice as much as the month before while the 2200G experienced it's best result to date.
Intel’s 8700k is still dominating the charts while the 8400 and 8600k are doing pretty good too.
AMD has just released their budget B450 motherboards so it will be interesting to see if this helps sales this month.
On the graph, we can see AMD’s 1600 CPU still remains their best seller followed by the 2700k at second place.
The 2600 series combined sold almost twice as much as the month before while the 2200G experienced it's best result to date.
Intel’s 8700k is still dominating the charts while the 8400 and 8600k are doing pretty good too.
AMD has just released their budget B450 motherboards so it will be interesting to see if this helps sales this month.
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Not for the first time, if you look to the left you will see AMD out sold Intel In Aug through to Nov last year.
They are also doing well in the US:
UK: no0t bad...
They are also doing well in the US:
UK: no0t bad...
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FX CPUs number 8??? When is that ever the best option.
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It only takes one person to buy a load of them at once which temporarily spikes the numbers.
People in this forum are very much the minority of users, most people don't know the FX CPU's like we do, and actually they are popular amongst some who do, Linux users, Home Server guys like them.
And they are cheap.
And they are cheap.
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Thanks Raven, added to OP.
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My conversation with Drunken was always about release data and this is the quote that started it:
But feel free to change the goalpost as drunken did and have a conversation with yourself as I have no opinion or interest in production start dates.
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Ha, he forgot also to mention something else there.
The announcement by AMD & GloFo that they will skip 5nm and working for the Zen 5 to be at 3nm in 2022.
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Saw title, looked a author. Smiled
Saw reply, seen poster name, smiled....HELLO GAVINtel!!!!!
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I assume its Old stock and they are not producing any Zen1 anymore ??
But the price is soo good
good ram kit costs more nowadays :/
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GAVINtel, snigger
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We love you really Gav
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Lets all admit that if it wasn't for AMD, then INTEL would be still be shafting everyone with quad cores. To try and slap down AMD is a fallacy. We need competition to progress technology, or you end up with what INTEL have been doing since 2014...minimal progression. I love it. I prefer that AMD are now beating INTEL in the CPU area, means INTEL are having to actually get off their butts and do some work.