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Given their very strong anti rhetoric about their partnership with AMD, I would avoid them.
"Despite AMD's growing stature in the marketplace and MSI's collection of AMD-powered motherboards and video cards, Chiang said that his company is is still reticent to use AMD processors in its systems for three main reasons:
- Prior bad experience: MSI has used AMD processors in its systems before, but apparently had a bad experience. "At that time, their product was not right and their support was not that good," Chiang said. He didn't say which AMD CPU he was referring to, but we know that 2012's MSI GX60 had an AMD A10 chip inside. Our sister site, Laptop Mag, reviewed that laptop at the time and really liked the performance and battery life.
- Relationship with Intel: Chiang told us that, given Intel's strong support during the shortage, it would be awkward to tell Intel if he chose to come out with an AMD-powered product. "It's very hard for us to tell them 'hey, we don't want to use 100 percent Intel,' because they give us very good support," he said. He did not, however, make any claims that Intel had pressured him or the company."
"MSI's M.2 "Heat Shield" Increases SSD Temperature" https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2781-msi-m2-heat-shield-increases-temperatures
"MSI (India) Pretty Much Just Called Radeon GPUs "Sub par" https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-pretty-much-just-called-radeon-gpus-sub-par.html
"MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?
Greedy motherboard vendors such as MSI want you to buy a new motherboard every two generations of processor for no sound reason at all."
https://www.techpowerup.com/254634/...longevity-promise-no-zen2-for-300-series?cp=9
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MSI made the best B450 motherboards,and the best mini-ITX AM4 motherboard for overclocking which had a 6 phase VRM. The Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro had poor VRM cooling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA
This is why at one point Gigabyte was giving away stuff with the board when it just came out,due to all the mediocre reviews. MSI actually had proper finned heatsinks on their B450 boards. Most of the rest just kind of used slabs of metal covered in plastic,and some of them used doubling to make their VRMs sound more impressive.
Gigabyte like Asus went for looks over functionality. In fact the only B450 board from Asus which was really any good for a higher end CPU was the ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming which I bought over the MSI B450I. It was six phase too,but is a bit weaker,but had a better layout and a heatsink for the M2 drive,which no other company has done for their B450 mini-ITX motherboards AFAIK.
Also I know quite a few people who have used the B450M Mortar and MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC and they have been solid.
I hope Asus and Gigabyte do a better job with their B450 motherboards!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA
This is why at one point Gigabyte was giving away stuff with the board when it just came out,due to all the mediocre reviews. MSI actually had proper finned heatsinks on their B450 boards. Most of the rest just kind of used slabs of metal covered in plastic,and some of them used doubling to make their VRMs sound more impressive.
Gigabyte like Asus went for looks over functionality. In fact the only B450 board from Asus which was really any good for a higher end CPU was the ASUS ROG Strix B450-I Gaming which I bought over the MSI B450I. It was six phase too,but is a bit weaker,but had a better layout and a heatsink for the M2 drive,which no other company has done for their B450 mini-ITX motherboards AFAIK.
Also I know quite a few people who have used the B450M Mortar and MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC and they have been solid.
I hope Asus and Gigabyte do a better job with their B450 motherboards!
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I bought the same probably at the same time after seeing a couple of reviews saying it will probably be B die but my set turned out to be Hynix
It runs at 2933 with a first gen Ryzen but won't do 3200 stable even at the slack default timings.AMD CPUs were ****.
MSI's motherboards have been miles ahead of their competitors for AM4.
MSI have already released BIOS updates on their 3xx boards for Ryzen 3.
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I bought the same probably at the same time after seeing a couple of reviews saying it will probably be B die but my set turned out to be Hynix
Most probably your 1st gen holding back your ram. My Ripjaw V 3200 CL16 won't run DOCP on 1st gen but it can on my 2nd gen using same motherboard. It can even oc to 3466 CL16.
What's the performance difference like between 3200 and 3466,?
Once you go over 3000Mhz diminishing returns kick in fairly quickly...and most 3000Mhz RAM will easily overclock to at least 3200Mhz.
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To be fair, most of the high to top tier motherboards can provide a silly amount of power as is good for 300watts to even 500watts at 1.4v+ Vcore.
So long as the manufacturers have provided them with adequate cooling, of course.
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With mid low end gpu hardly any. In Cine15, about 30 more points.
http://imgur.com/a/UjHcu3w
The timing matters much too. Cl14 would give lower latency at same speed, thus help the disadvantage of infinity fabric on both 1st and 2nd gens. We will find out 3rd gen soon.
Check out 3200 Cl14 vs 3533 Cl16
http://imgur.com/a/klkEqGE
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The B-Die obsession on this forum is craaaaazy. It's just not THAT important. I guess whatever sells expensive sticks of RAM...
Indeed.AMD CPUs were ****.
MSI's motherboards have been miles ahead of their competitors for AM4.
MSI have already released BIOS updates on their 3xx boards for Ryzen 3.
When benchmarks show an appreciable difference between even 3200 CL16 and 3200 CL14 I can understand the fascination. I do wonder what percentage of 3200 CL16 sticks can be "overclocked" to CL14 though...if it's a lot, then buying the much more expensive set with tighter timings would be pointless.
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I agree I'm running 32Gb of hynix ram on XMP settings at 3333MHz CL16 - on a ryzen 2700x it runs just fine.
Good.
So:
99/115 @default
105/120 @DDR4-3200 & 4.2 GHz
112/128 @DDR4-3400 & 4.2 GHz
11-13% from default to the last settings is pretty good.
AMD's CPUs are fine.
I don't think so.
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E3 in 5 days. Hopefully then we will find out which Zen2 chips are fastest for gaming.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. My money is firmly on the 3800x being the fastest in gaming. And there will be some salty gamers out there who wanted the 12 or 16 core. (Also my money is on the 16 core not making an appearance till Zen3)
I've said it before, I'll say it again. My money is firmly on the 3800x being the fastest in gaming. And there will be some salty gamers out there who wanted the 12 or 16 core. (Also my money is on the 16 core not making an appearance till Zen3)
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Did you even look at which system this heatshield was on? It was an Intel Z270 board, not an AMD board, and this is an AMD thread.
Also, i have the MSI Carbon X470 and the heatshield i have on this X470 looks totally different.
Stop speading twisted crap in here.
My M.2 never sees over 53c under its heatshield and a Vega 56 GPU.. just so you know
Almost entirely dependent on binning. Also some games will scale beyond 8 cores.
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I think single chiplet will beat two chiplets all the time in games.
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That will largely depends on how AMD have setup the L3 cache, if each chiplet can share it's cache with the other that will give it a huge advantage over a single chiplet design.