It seems much more likely that they were just scumbags who were out to cause trouble and a lesbian couple was just an easy target for them
Which makes it a homophonic attack.
It seems much more likely that they were just scumbags who were out to cause trouble and a lesbian couple was just an easy target for them
Which makes it a homophonic attack.
Just because gay people were the victims doesn't mean it was homophobic.
Correct,
However it is homophobic if the motive for the the attack, is that the victims were homosexual.
Which according to the reports (which I can’t verify) seems to be what happened.
They didn’t attack randomly, they didn’t just pick anyone, they purposefully singled out a gay couple, verbally abused them then beat them.
Which makes it a homophobic attack, if the reports are correct.
An easy target, because they were gay. That almost the very definition of a homophobic attach or hate crime. Duh.It seems much more likely that they were just scumbags who were out to cause trouble and a lesbian couple was just an easy target for them
And I'd hate to live in a world full of victim-blaming, and not having the decency to believe two innocent women that were beaten up by a gang on a night bus, until proven otherwise. Seriously...@Scam I'd love to live in the world you do where people never make things up out of vengeance or spite and never exaggerate the details of something. Especially not when they've gone running to the media.
Correct. But picking on them because of it is the very definition of a homophobic attack. God, it's like talking to a brick wall.Just because gay people were the victims doesn't mean it was homophobic.
They were kissing each other.How would one ascertain the sexuality of 2 women sat next to each other on a bus?
You wouldn't. But the law would.Scrotes will target you and use anything against you. If it was a Jewish couple that got attacked and they told him to eat some bacon, etc. I wouldn't call it a anti-semetic attack.
That's nice for you. And the gang. I'm sure they appreciate you giving them the benefit of the doubt, rather than the two women who are prepared to go in the newspapers, attract more attention, possibly revenge, risking more attacks etc. to say otherwise - and that they were picked on because they were kissing. And as above, it doesn't matter how the altercation started, you might even be right. But if they were using homophobic language whilst attacking them etc, that is a homophobic attack. Why is that so hard to comprehend?I don't believe this gang went out looking for a gay couple to attack. They probably saw 2 women who were a couple and then wanted to get their jollies off on making them kiss, then touch each other, etc. When they got some chat back they then started on them is how this likely panned out.
I don't think they picked them out rather than they just happened to be there. Wrong place at the wrong time. Chances are they wanted to wind them up. When they didn't play along they then attacked them. It's likely one of them didn't help the situation by saying something back and they didn't like it and it then escalated from there.
Scrotes will target you and use anything against you. If it was a Jewish couple that got attacked and they told him to eat some bacon, etc. I wouldn't call it a anti-semetic attack. They just used what they knew against them on a whim.
I don't believe this gang went out looking for a gay couple to attack. They probably saw 2 women who were a couple and then wanted to get their jollies off on making them kiss, then touch each other, etc. When they got some chat back they then started on them is how this likely panned out.
I don't think they picked them out rather than they just happened to be there. Wrong place at the wrong time. Chances are they wanted to wind them up. When they didn't play along they then attacked them. It's likely one of them didn't help the situation by saying something back and they didn't like it and it then escalated from there.
Scrotes will target you and use anything against you. If it was a Jewish couple that got attacked and they told him to eat some bacon, etc. I wouldn't call it a anti-semetic attack. They just used what they knew against them on a whim.
I don't believe this gang went out looking for a gay couple to attack. They probably saw 2 women who were a couple and then wanted to get their jollies off on making them kiss, then touch each other, etc. When they got some chat back they then started on them is how this likely panned out.
This is insane thinking.
You're literally saying that because they would have abused people based on any difference to themselves, be that race, religion, sexuality, sex, etc then it's not a racist, bigoted, homophobic or mysogynistic attack.
As is proven from these forums people can be all those things and some people in the general populace will take things further than frothing on the internet and physically attack anybody different to themselves.
A serial killer who targeted white people would be both a racist and a serial killer.
I can well imagine these kids are both serial troublemakers and bigots.
People talk about how scared they feel walking around London, not something I've experienced but there you go, imagine how you'd feel if you knew people would target you more than the average person due to nothing you can do or control?
Your missing the point. Especially when you say a serial killer who targeted white people. i'm saying this gang will target anyone not just lesbians. it just happened to be lesbians on that day.
it's likely this gang has attacked hundreds of people of all types and colours. this time around it just happened to be a lesbian couple.
next week they attack 2 black people are they now racist and homophobic? even though it's highly likely they themselves are black?
therefore it's not a true homophobic attack in my eyes. unless it can be proven that out of all the people they have attacked they on the majority were gay.
Jesus, Walthamstow has always been a horrible dump. I actively refused to go there in the 90's when i was a teenager. Literary anywhere else in east London would have been better
Correct, I was replying to a post that was suggesting that they went out purposely to find and attack a gay couple, where as I say it is more likely a completely random attack. They didn't decide to go and beat up a gay couple, they were going to attack anybody. They happened to come across a gay couple which caught their attention and then became a target.An easy target, because they were gay. That almost the very definition of a homophobic attach or hate crime. Duh.
Correct, I was replying to a post that was suggesting that they went out purposely to find and attack a gay couple, where as I say it is more likely a completely random attack. They didn't decide to go and beat up a gay couple, they were going to attack anybody. They happened to come across a gay couple which caught their attention and then became a target.
You're contradicting yourself though. It's not a random attack if somebody is picked on for a reason. It might be because they had ginger hair, it might be because they're fat. However, it was because they were gay and that means it's a homophobic attack. End of story. Otherwise anyone could go out with the premeditated intention of attack a gay person, then when interviewed by the police just say "oh they just happened to be there at the wrong time". Your argument is so flawed in the eyes of the law.Correct, I was replying to a post that was suggesting that they went out purposely to find and attack a gay couple, where as I say it is more likely a completely random attack. They didn't decide to go and beat up a gay couple, they were going to attack anybody. They happened to come across a gay couple which caught their attention and then became a target.