The Royals
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To myself of course, I had the courtesy to post my experiences and you took to making a rude version of it. If it was funny, it would be another matter.
Try and make your 'stories' more believable next time then
Though I may not earn more than £10/hour salaried, thanks to my dealings, technically I am now a wealthy land owner so no more experiences. I will just get on with the job in hand.. like the royals
/growls
Now clean my boots peasant! (In the queens English of course
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Disrespectful to you. No. You sound uppity. Get over it. It was nothing but a silly parody.
If you believe that then you might well be seriously overestimating the figures in the examples you've given for some of your friends too. Like the dog walker apparently making £400-£500 a day from 7-10 dogs...
I was just quoting a guy who thanks to the 2up rule made 140k, betting as you know is tax free. Regarding the dogs, they were not ‘common’ clients and needed whole day, I counted 8 last time from 8am to 2pm = £10 per hour x 6 hours x 8 dogs = £480 so only £20 off
You didn't quote anyone?
Sorry, I did not mean literally, check the match betting thread on his 2up strategy and how much he ‘claims’ to have made, I do not know him personally so cannot not verify his claim. Better to ask him directly
Sorry, I did not mean literally, check the match betting thread on his 2up strategy and how much he ‘claims’ to have made, I do not know him personally so cannot not verify his claim. Better to ask him directly
What/who are you actually referring to?
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Isn't he your friend?Sorry, I did not mean literally, check the match betting thread on his 2up strategy and how much he ‘claims’ to have made, I do not know him personally so cannot not verify his claim. Better to ask him directly
Nope, he wasn't on the list.
The thread is so large (250+ pages) I don't have time to search it all:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...it-and-whos-good-at-it-no-referrals.18278450/
but it's there along with other revelations. Even I made about 3k in 4 months match betting but got gubbed from all the best sites
I never could get the hang of the 2up offer as it required large stakes so not for me I'm aware of the thread thanks, I'm not aware of someone in that thread making 140k a year from matched betting, perhaps I missed it as it's a big thread indeed. But it seems unlikely that the claim is true and you've provided nothing else like which poster it was, roughly when this supposedly happened. For example are you sure it isn't say 140k in total AND he's been doing it for years including some period where it was far more lucrative?
This is the issue perhaps with your post about your friends - I suspect you're exaggerating and have got some details plain wrong. You also didn't seem to realise when questioned that 140k might be a rather unusual amount to make (per year) from matched betting but just carried on with the claim as though it was true.
Edit - I've found it via google, unless it is someone else you are mistaken:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32255860/
"Just following up from this. 3 years and about 3 months later I've made nearly £140,000"
He's not made 140k a year from matched betting. This is my point about the various other things you've listed, that one was easy to pick as it was verifiable whereas the others are anecdotes about unknown people - you've quite likely IMO got the details wrong or perhaps have extrapolated some annual or ongoing amount from perhaps a particularly good day etc.. the dog walker getting £500 a day for example etc..etc..
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Well spotted, it was just off the top of the head as I read it ages ago just to highlight people can make good money doing other things, of course I do not know the specifics or even how he makes it on 2up as I only made 3k from Match betting. I’m even surprised I remembered they made 140k to be honest.
Just one problem with the logic however, I don’t know this guy at all other than a line or two from a forum post about his claims, but I do know my friends. I was with my dog walking friend’s new helper at lunchtime for 2mins whilst I got some Chips asking him if he enjoyed the work and if he ever got tired. I didn’t recognise him, but he recognised me, he had 4 leashes per hand and the dogs were quite small, yapping away. In short, I know my friends but not this guy, next you will say I am exaggerating too. As much as I would like to give you my solicitors details, tr1 land registry docs and accepted mortgage offers for new build and commercial property, my brokers details, complete with business account details, and receipt from transferwise along with my biometric Touch ID for my bank abroad, with the tenants references, and lease agreement. This is way too private for this forum.
Just accept people can make good money with hard work, the right attitude and sensible investments. That was the long and short of it. If you don’t believe my friends made good money then don’t, I have been to their houses - the best I have been too was complete with a private guard service for the estate, basketball court at the front and swimming pool at the back, his neighbours houses were equally big but had different configurations. I need a signed visitors badge to enter. Without revealing the exact location, it’s safe to say it’s near a famous shopping centre in the north.
Or would you prefer that no one in life makes it, and sits around waiting for the Royals to make a new baby - quite sad really.
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I'm not disputing the idea that people can make good money, I'm pointing out that your list is probably flawed, as demonstrated the one thing you cite that we can verify has turned out to be completely wrong. I've already made my point there, I don't need nor particularly want details of all your friends businesses etc...
The larger point perhaps is this idea of pretending it is easy to make large sums of money - this message that even the dog walker can earn six figures is flawed and not representative of reality at all. It is possible, but rather unlikely that an individual could make £500 a day walking dogs... it is also rather plausible that you've got some details wrong just as we've seen you do when mentioning matched betting.
Likewise just mentioning that you've got a mate who works in IT and now makes XXXX a day isn't really informative, sure there are people who make that much from contracting, more common though is for contractors to make a three figure daily rate... that tends to be typical in London for a dev/BA/PM etc.. that in itself isn't something everyone can do, getting to a 4 figure daily rate as an individual contractor is somewhat harder and tends to require a very specialist skill set or experience managing big projects. Are you in some cases confusing what they're billed out for and what they actually get to see from that amount for example.
Yes some people make large sums of money, no one is disputing that they exist, most people won't become wealthy though and it isn't just down to lack of hard work, luck also plays a big factor, perhaps more so the lower the skill of the person involved. Even assuming your dog walker analogy is true for example the vast majority of dog walkers won't be earning six figures regardless of whether they work hard at it and/or attempt to target only rich people etc...
The larger point perhaps is this idea of pretending it is easy to make large sums of money - this message that even the dog walker can earn six figures is flawed and not representative of reality at all. It is possible, but rather unlikely that an individual could make £500 a day walking dogs... it is also rather plausible that you've got some details wrong just as we've seen you do when mentioning matched betting.
Likewise just mentioning that you've got a mate who works in IT and now makes XXXX a day isn't really informative, sure there are people who make that much from contracting, more common though is for contractors to make a three figure daily rate... that tends to be typical in London for a dev/BA/PM etc.. that in itself isn't something everyone can do, getting to a 4 figure daily rate as an individual contractor is somewhat harder and tends to require a very specialist skill set or experience managing big projects. Are you in some cases confusing what they're billed out for and what they actually get to see from that amount for example.
Yes some people make large sums of money, no one is disputing that they exist, most people won't become wealthy though and it isn't just down to lack of hard work, luck also plays a big factor, perhaps more so the lower the skill of the person involved. Even assuming your dog walker analogy is true for example the vast majority of dog walkers won't be earning six figures regardless of whether they work hard at it and/or attempt to target only rich people etc...
Ok, that is your view which I respect. Regarding the IT contractor, my manager told me that is what they are paying him, how its being billed I am not privy too, it’s possible my manager is mistaken though he does have to raise the purchase order for this? But it doesn't surprise me, the 'official' software trainer for the company charges £1200/day plus expenses to come in, so they prefer freelancers who are ex-company at £750/day basic training only or £1050/day with configuration support
Regarding the dog walker, the truth is in my area everyone charges £10 a dog walk but for 1 hour only, and they are 14yr olds most of the time. My friend bought the client list from a female dog walk business owner who only kept the cream and got rid of the others as it’s too much hassle on petrol etc for 1-2hrs (chump change). And who is the cream exactly, people who can afford £60 a day to babysit a dog for a day, she built the list over years not months for reference and wanted to open a boutique instead. The truth is £400-500 per day is his average wage, on good days he makes £700-800 (using his helper as well! They do half half occasionally when his legs aren't playing up! That is the downside BTW!)
Anybody who dog walks knows the truth! Ask any local dog walking business. My wife has made £140 a day babysitting 2 kids ocassionally, just add 4 more kids and she would make nearly £500/day as well. It’s not that hard but we don’t have the room for more! Plus it's a hassle for inspections as they won't allow more for the space available.
My next door neighbour makes £600/day, wait for this.. delivering sofas! He told me he gets paid per job (man and van) but has to start 6am each mornings and finishes 8-9pm but says it’s worth it. Don’t ask me for references but he just bought a new 5 series for his wife and q7 for himself so I have no reason to disbelieve him, he is now looking for a warehouse unit to invest in for a side income.
My kitchen fitter quoted me 4K to fit over 5 days with two people. Told him to take a running leap coz I ain’t paying £400/day each. My flag resin pointing guy quoted me £1200 at first but now says he wants £1750 for 3 days work as its more work then first thought. £1750/3 = £583/day. Also told him to jump. A popular national company quoted me 4.5k (after 20% discount) for a new glass bannister fitted in 1 day, said no thanks, swing and slide patio door guy quoted me 3k and 1 day to fit. Told him to take a leap as well. First parquet floor guy quoted £1800 for two rooms over 3 days. Accepted quote from a local guy for £450 to fit. My tiler wanted £580 to tile over two days. Got it done for £170 with someone else. Do you see a pattern here? People are free to charge what they like, it’s down to the customer to accept or not. My Neighbour opposite but one just paid wait for it 7k for new soffits and facias only! I could have got the roof done as well for that much and there were two people and only took two and a half days. Had to pay my Electrican nearly £576 this week to fit 12 spotlights, he only took 7 hours to do it, the materials were mine well (minus the wiring), the cheeky monkey! He charged £40 PER spotlight, and 20% VAT! And he had a 2nd job booked in elsewhere that day!! My mother paid 7.5k to British gas last year to install two Worcester Bosch boilers with pipework!! (one for water, one for heating due to the pipe lengths, and number of bathrooms, I'm sure a local company would have done it for 4.5k!). These are not south prices either, they are north!
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I don't really know what the point you're trying to make is here, even if we were to believe you it isn't representative of the reality for most nor is it achievable for most even if they wanted to.
You can't just extrapolate from that. Its like me saying my mate made £800 for 20 mins at a standup comedy gig for a corporate event, If he booked 3 of those a night he could make 2400 a day, for only an hour's work... back in the real world it doesn't work like that. Just because someone once made £140 from babysitting in a day or X amount for some specific event doesn't mean they can achieve that on an ongoing basis.
That is the sort of flawed thinking that will quickly get a reality check if people try to set up a business on that basis.
I don't know what you're trying to achieve here by listing even more anecdotes of people that, even if the anecdotes were true, are clearly earning well above what is normal or even realistic in spite of the effort put in for those sorts of businesses.
Back in reality no you're not likely going to make £500 - £600 a day from dog walking, babysitting or making yourself available as a man with a van. You've either got things confused, believed people who are exaggerating, perhaps you are extrapolating in a flawed manner or you just happen to know a whole load of people who have been incredibly lucky.
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They could charge extra for tongue in cheek...
You are right, for some people it is not achievable if they have no desire to succeed (Angilion), but for arguments sake try this:
1. Ring your local professional babysitter and say - how much for say 5 hours? Let me know what they quote you. Be honest, and next time you see one, count how many other kids are there?
2. Ring your local professional dog walker and say - how much for say 2 hours? Let me know what they quote you. Be honest, and next time you see one, count how many other leads they have in their hands?
3. Ring your local professional man & van e.g. Ricky's nationwide - ask how much to pay up a chandalier from an Ebay customer. Be honest, and next time you see one, count the number of parcels in the back?
The fact is you cannot run a professional business with 1 parcel, 1 child or 1 dog at a time. You are talking teenager job level, not professional adult business level. Even my local gardener charges £35 per hour for two hours work usually, and claims 'expert' status!
Also, I think I have to accept the fact that you think my neighbour is a fool, my dog walker friend is a fool and my wife is a fool, so be it. Out of interest, what do you drive? This will reveal all I suspect.
I will show my hand first:
Wife: Mercedes CLA AMG model (white) - 18 plate
Dog Walker: Jaguar F Type (red) - private plate & ford galaxy (dog transporter - blue) - around 10-13 plate I believe
Neighbour: Audi Q7 (black) - private plate + BMW 5 series (black) - private plate + White van (not sure what plate)
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