AMD Rant ? Intel Fan? Ryzen Truth ?

[ArchAnGeL]

I'd have liked to see 5ghz 9700 / 9900 in reviews also and will still likely buy a 3700x

 

[ninezerofive]

I'd have liked to see 5ghz 9700 / 9900 in reviews also and will still likely buy a 3700x

This one might be interesting to you then. They still use 3200 Ram kit to test intel, so add a bit to the final scores :

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Another video that makes me happy with my new CPU choice.

 

[Destination]

You can't do that, one is meant to be as powerful as it could out of the box, and second is nerfed on purpose to fit the TDP. I didn't include cost in this equation it's not about that, more of an testing methodology done.

And finally I don't think 9900k is a good chip.

Btw the battlefield results were dx12 versus dx11 also, so you should probably scratch that, as the 9900 does much better aga8nst itself with the same ram

 

[Destination]

Kitguru posted reviews with OC od both btw

 

[ninezerofive]

Btw the battlefield results were dx12 versus dx11 also, so you should probably scratch that, as the 9900 does much better aga8nst itself with the same ram

Ah yea, my bad.

Here's tom's review on the subject.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-ram-speed,5951-5.html

And the Hardware Unboxed :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VElMNPXJtuA

There's more then enough evidence to test Intel with higher speed ram.

That's all I am saying.

 

[Destination]

Thanks for the thread on what they could test, if you read the big thread, there are absolutely stacks of tests we would all love to see run, especially when it comes to optimisation and timings

Edit
What is your view on running the intel chips with no cooler, since they don’t supply one and amd do?

 

[ninezerofive]

What is your view on running the intel chips with no cooler, since they don’t supply one and amd do?

I never understood this argument. I wouldn't use Prism if I bought AMD.

 

[Destination]

The reviwers did, they should probably slap it on the intel too.

 

[ninezerofive]

The reviwers did, they should probably slap it on the intel too.

I would test CPU's under custom watercooling to take this out of the equation at all.

Personally I don't care about the value, I can do those calculations myself.

What I want know is: the safe max operating limits performance. Max cooling, max ram. So i know what kind of chips are those.

The funniest thing is when the reviewers downclock the Intel to 4Ghz and say : let's see how they compare.

Yea we know, 7nm works better, what kind of test is that.

 

[StriderX]

I would test CPU's under custom watercooling...

How many people can afford 100-300£ on water cooling... should just test the bloody things under Liquid Helium.

 

[ninezerofive]

How many people can afford 100-300£ on water cooling... should just test the bloody things under Liquid Helium.

Mate I don't care who, what, when can afford. It's not about that. It's about doing scientific experiment. You take ALL factors that could negatively affect CPU performance out of the equation so you can test the bloody CPU.

JESUS

 

[Unseul]

Would be interesting to see a bang for buck comparison in all these reviews. And see them try and optimise towards it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Mate I don't care who, what, when can afford. It's not about that. It's about doing scientific experiment. You take ALL factors that could negatively affect CPU performance out of the equation so you can test the bloody CPU.

JESUS

So would you be fine if both high end cooling and stock cooling was tested together?

Intel has a stock cooler for CFL CPUs which ships with prebuilt PCs.

Edit!!

Also on purpose ignoring the quality of stock cooling is actually not a good thing. We saw this with prebuilt PCs which ship with higher end CPUs but with AMD and Intel stock OEM solutions,or even less than ideal coolers.

Examples include Core i7 8700/8700K systems being shipped in OEM systems which underperformed compared to what reviews said. People bought these systems based on what CPU reviews showed.

The same goes with AMD and Intel CPUs being tested only on high end motherboards - plenty of systems sold in the realworld will use cheaper motherboards.

The same goes with AMD and Intel CPUs breaking official TDP specifications due to PBO,MCE,etc.

Lots of systems sold will be configured to strict TDP limits.

Reviews only test best case scenarios, when the bulk of systems won't be doing this as plenty of large OEMs don't care. Testing should cover this too,to give a max/min range of performance benchmarks.

 

[ninezerofive]

That's it. I've said my piece.

I wish you all very pleasant evening.

 

[L0rdMike]

 

[Calin Banc]

And you are this angry because it doesn't make sense with 2080ti on 1440/4k ? I agree, it doesn't make sense. But what will happen when 3080ti launch? There will come a time when Ryzens won't max out those cards. If there's a 20% gap in 1080p, there will be a gap at 1440p.

You can only really talk about current games and apps; how future games will run on these processors remains to be seen. Also keep in mind that future console will be made based on Ryzen architecture.

PS: For instance I'm getting over 90% CPU utilization on a 2600x + 2080 in Crysis 3, on a level with grass. I would really wonder how smooth and constant a 6 core Intel part is.

 

[Panos]

@ninezerofive one note. Hardware unboxed on the initial review for the Ryzen 3900X, used the Wraith cooler and the AIO on the 9900K.