ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

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robfosters said:
hopefully he’s stupid enough to start a war with Russia.
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Not a war that Russia wants, their fleet is trash (though improving to be fair) and can be easily trapped in the Black sea.

That said, if it's restricted to land-air conflict, then Russia is in a good position, they can redirect all the manpower that totally isn't waiting on the Ukraine border, casually take over Georgia and then move in. Turkey isn't a lightweight though, so this is likely a stalemate. So both will try their best to posture, as is tradition for demagogues.
 
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StriderX said:
Not a war that Russia wants, their fleet is trash (though improving to be fair) and can be easily trapped in the Black sea.

That said, if it's restricted to land-air conflict, then Russia is in a good position, they can redirect all the manpower that totally isn't waiting on the Ukraine border, casually take over Georgia and then move in. Turkey isn't a lightweight though, so this is likely a stalemate. So both will try their best to posture, as is tradition for demagogues.
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With their massive artillery, couldn’t Russia bomb them into submission?
 

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StriderX said:
Not a war that Russia wants, their fleet is trash (though improving to be fair) and can be easily trapped in the Black sea.

That said, if it's restricted to land-air conflict, then Russia is in a good position, they can redirect all the manpower that totally isn't waiting on the Ukraine border, casually take over Georgia and then move in. Turkey isn't a lightweight though, so this is likely a stalemate. So both will try their best to posture, as is tradition for demagogues.
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If Russia decides to bomb Turkey, nothing would be left standing. Turkey has no AA to defend against cruise missiles except activating the Russian S400 against Russian missiles which will be hilarous to see.

Turkey is turkey. (the animal). Two weeks ago when the Russian airplanes killed 8 Turks imbeded inside the ISIS forces, went to USA crying that need Patriot AA systems. Why not use S400? Because using S400 against Russia is stupid as it sounds. Using airplanes to fight Russian airplanes, even worse. So using Patriot is the only way to avoid the wrath of Russia. Ofc USA refused to even hear the demands.

A week later. Embeded turks inside the ISIS forces attacked Syrians around Idlib (in N Syria). The later responded killing 33 with another 35 badly burned. Turkey went to NATO crying demanding A5 be triggered because the country is under attack and it's integrity as a country threatened by Russia & Syria. Even if the troops were imbedeed in ISIS forces, while well inside in Syrian ground.

Because nobody wants to start WWIII, especially with SARS hitting our countries, Erdogan decided to blackmail NATO & EU as we know.

As @Minusorange said 2 buffer zones inside Turkey are needed. One in Asia Minor similar to the Sevres Treaty. The other in Instabul to implement also the Montreux Treaty which Ergogan unilaterally scrapped while building a cannal to restrict all movement from-to Black Sea.
 

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Turkey is not completely out matched conventional force wise in a fight with Russia, especially when you take into account maintenance and battle readiness but all their manufacturing capability would be well inside range of Russia's reach while Russia has vast amounts of industry well outside of Turkey's ability to attack - without external help and lots of it ultimately Turkey would not fair well. I'm not sure it is a war Russia can afford economically though even if they fully took over Turkey in the aftermath.
 

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Rroff said:
Turkey is not completely out matched conventional force wise in a fight with Russia, especially when you take into account maintenance and battle readiness but all their manufacturing capability would be well inside range of Russia's reach while Russia has vast amounts of industry well outside of Turkey's ability to attack - without external help and lots of it ultimately Turkey would not fair well. I'm not sure it is a war Russia can afford economically though even if they fully took over Turkey in the aftermath.
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We shall seen. Things are tricky atm. Only an idiot starts war during the SARS pandemic and expects others to support him.

Also best for everyone, Turkey should be broken to pieces like it was after the Sevres Treaty. Thats the best solution if someone wants true peace in East Med and Middle East. Atm Turkey is supplying Saraj in Libya with chemical weapons, tanks, artillery even Turkmen troops from Syria to fight LNA. Against UN weapon embargo. To the point LNA sank a ship out of Tripoli full of APCs and tanks and Turkey keeps complete silence about the videos posted online by LNA.

Is also working with ISIS since the start of the wars in Iraq & Syria. Except if ISIS now became "our" friends because of Turkey. And thats something the Greek delegation pointed at NATO on Friday-Saturday session while vetoed everything. It would be hypocritical showing support to Turkey when it's troops are fighting alongside the left overs of ISIS & Al Qaeda. Or god forbid nave NATO attack Syria & Russia to support ISIS & Al Qaeda as Turkey was demanding.
Madness. It would break apart everything in both NATO & EU.

In addition Turkey tries to find a way to destabilize Egypt again. It succeeded partially with the Muslim Brotherhood, but things went pear shape when the Egyptian generals took over stopping Morsi to sign the same treaty Saraj (Libya) has signed with Turkey, while he was trying to clense the country from anyone non muslim. (who forgot the attacks against Christians & Churches?) Effectively making the country a vassal state to Turkey.
And Turkey needs Saraj in Libya to destabilise Egypt again but....

As you see in addition to issues with Cyprus, Israel, Greece, Turkey is the country that tries to destabilize the whole region while trying to rebuild the Ottoman Empire, as per Erdogan's own words.
 

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Panos, have you a reference for your mention of Erdogans Ottoman Empire reinstatement?
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Just quickly
https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...ttoman-du-president-erdogan_5053326_3210.html
https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/articl...ique-de-l-histoire-en-libye_6025245_3232.html

Trying to find the original from Die Welt but this is a translated copy.
https://www.skai.gr/news/world/die-welt-gia-erntogan-sxediazei-mia-neo-othomaniki-aytokratoria

As seen not posting Greek media, just in case some might say isn't balanced or fair.

I will try also to find from Turkish media also as there is the usual rherotic from Erdogan over the last 15 years.
And his speech also stating that as Greece didn't celebrated it's 100 years from the revolution because had to deal with the Greek-Turkish (1921-22) war and the displacement of millions of Greeks from Asia Minor and 2 genocides (Pontus Greeks, and Asia Minor Greeks), same will happen in 2021 when trying to celebrate 200 years.

And we see this happening right now.
 

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Panos, thanks for the links. I read the (1st?) French one. Those ideas (of Ottoman empire) have a shelf life.

Taken to its logical conclusion, would mean, for example, Turkey taking Israel back (part of the old Ottoman empire). Hell will freeze over before that happens.
 
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RxR said:
Panos, thanks for the links. I read the (1st?) French one. Those ideas (of Ottoman empire) have a shelf life.

Taken to its logical conclusion, would mean, for example, Turkey taking Israel back (part of the old Ottoman empire). Hell will freeze over before that happens.
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And if by chance Hell starts freezing over, Israel will re-heat it with the nukes it doesn't have :rolleyes:
With the Anti-Israel Anti-Egyptian rhetoric from Erdogan over the year, is ironic Erdogan brought together Egypt, Israel, Cyprus, Greece & Saudi Arabia!
 

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If a strong unitary Muslim caliphate or nation came about, then Israel would not be laughing. But the fractured sectarian nature of the muslim world right now pretty much naturally forbids this from happening.

It would require only one nation beating the other major influential nations to definitively make this remotely possible, of course in doing this it would exhaust their energy as it would be a wasteful and nasty conflict.
 
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