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I'm getting zero hits on le Google for 7nm IO die on Zen 3. Zero.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Soldato
Can only take your word but so far as said otherwise everything stats otherwise and any reference out there never gives that info at all. You'd think the articles would mention hey.
Further to that you going back on the fact there are "no more CCX" now? After literally proving there are, they are just 8 core designs instead.
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Yep I had a good search, someone somewhere would have reported it in some detail if there was info and if there isn't now it could have been edited to remove it since is no longer case? Either way I can't see anything to support his view anymore.
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It's possible that a 7nm IO die was planned for Zen 3, but it's been pushed back to Zen 4. Same with SMT4, that rumour persisted for ages right up until an AMD presentation which showed EPYC Milan on a roadmap as "64c/128t".
I'm more interested in a X570 refresh. Given how late B550 is I don't see an actual X670 coming out now. Plus, what more could you add to X570 to call it a "new" chipset? Let's **** off Intel even more and steal another naming convention and go X570X, featuring the improved PCIe 4 design used on TRX40 and a proper PCH, rather than a 14nm backport of Matisse's IO die.
I'm more interested in a X570 refresh. Given how late B550 is I don't see an actual X670 coming out now. Plus, what more could you add to X570 to call it a "new" chipset? Let's **** off Intel even more and steal another naming convention and go X570X, featuring the improved PCIe 4 design used on TRX40 and a proper PCH, rather than a 14nm backport of Matisse's IO die.
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This is great news. We need AMD, nvidia and Intel all healthy and fighting to keep the innovation going.
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Consumer models or server chips..
Best to assume Q1 2021 and not be disappointed9-12 months wait still, I reckon.
Once B550 hits it will be hard not to jump to a 3700X if I see any good deals around
Same here - I don't want to spend more than £200 on an 8 core Zen CPU,so will get a Ryzen 7 3700X if the 4000 series is expensive,or if the B450 motherboard is locked out or something similar.
B550 in ~June iirc. e:Oh you mean you've already got a B450. Gotcha.
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I upgraded in late 2018,as my system was having problems. Having said that,the new Intel CPUs with SMT in the whole range have launched,so it might force prices down on the Ryzen 7 3700X.
I'm sure now 10th Gen Intel have had pricing announced AMD will drop prices to steal their thunder.
Soldato
Why ?
The 10900K has a price of $472 if you buy a tray of 1000. Do you honestly think this is the retail price ? I think not. By the time that hit's retail that will be $600 minimum, which means £600. A 3900x from our hosts is £459 at the moment and is 12c/24t as opposed to the 10900k, which is 10c/20t.
So, give me one good reason why AMD should or will drop their prices ?
the 9900k has a tray price of about $480 and I checked the 9900k was around 550pounds at launch so you're about right
You're guessing the numbers I suppose but I think you're basically right & 100% have captured the drift of how this willl play out.
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Some of the models are quite close to AMD models with the same core count,ie,the Core i5 10400F,and Core i7 10700F. Intel is still a bit ahead on gaming performance too,so these parts might actually do much better than people think,unless they hit some problems.
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But they are not the same, are they ?
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If you look on Intel ARK for the RRP of the Core i5 9400F,it comes in around the same price as the Core i5 10400F. I would expect street prices to be close to that of the Ryzen 5 3600. Considering there are games which still edge ahead on Intel due to the ring bus,I expect it to be relatively competitive with the Ryzen 5,unless there is some issues with throttling due to the 65W TDP.
If you look at the review of the Ryzen 5 3500X and the Core i5 9400F,they are very close in clockspeeds and are both 6C/6T:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1966-amd-ryzen-5-3500x/
Look at the games where the Ryzen 5 3600 does better,and that is down to the SMT. So the Core i5 10400F will add a similar performance boost because of its SMT.
The key thing to all of this is to remember is Intel don't have to be the best or the cheapest to sell to most people. You're lucky if the average buyer looks past the word Intel. They've no idea what hyperthreading is, never heard of TDP or throttling or Lisa Su, clueless about sockets and upgrades. If Intel have some big numbers and can claim a few "highest" somethings they will sell.
AMD's success so far hasn't been on pure performance but on good performance for the money. If the price is too close Intel will sell to the majority buyer, it's less perceived risk to the uninitiated. AMD's mind share has improved but they are still a long way from replacing Intel in the mind of the public.
AMD's success so far hasn't been on pure performance but on good performance for the money. If the price is too close Intel will sell to the majority buyer, it's less perceived risk to the uninitiated. AMD's mind share has improved but they are still a long way from replacing Intel in the mind of the public.
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The 1k tray prices seem to be targeting msrp for Ryzen throughout the stack but 3000 series can be found for under msrp for ages now so they will be more expensive but probably slightly better in gaming where GPU is not a bottleneck.
I think AMD might do a little price cut though to take shine off the launch.
I think AMD might do a little price cut though to take shine off the launch.
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10:57 - Intel and their shenanigans! It's amazing the things they think of to protect their market share.
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Versus Zen 2 of course, but likely not Zen 3. Comet Lake is nothing new.
Rocket Lake vs Zen 3 should be interesting, even with Rocket Lake on 14nm.
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