Noticeable FPS gains from OC'ing?

.Griff. · 6 Jun 2020 at 18:46

In April I replaced my old i5 system with an AMD build.

Ryzen 7 3700X
MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS
WD Black SN750 NVMe SSD

However, in my haste, I purchased the "wrong" memory - Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3000MHZ CL15 aka CMW16GX4M2C3000C15

It appears I should have gone for 3600MHZ as this 'plays nicely' with Ryzen or so I understand.

I've had an initial look at dram calc and taiphoonburner and I'm happy that if I was to proceed I know what to do.

However before I carry on will this give me any noticeable FPS gain, currently playing a lot of Warzone, or is it only likely to result in 1 or 2 additional FPS?

bremen1874 · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:12

If you search, many of the tech channels ran comparisons of Ryzen 3000 running with different memory speeds. From memory, the differences were noticeable but not massive (<10%).

3600MHz is prefered because it allows the Infinity Fabric to be run a 1800MHz (about the max, it's more-or-less guaranteed to run at).

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:28

just went from 3000mhz to 3600mhz ram
to be honest noticed no difference as the pc is just so fast any way
if i benchmarked it probably a little faster
but nothing major probably

opethdisciple · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:30

.Griff. said:
In April I replaced my old i5 system with an AMD build.

Ryzen 7 3700X
MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS
WD Black SN750 NVMe SSD

However, in my haste, I purchased the "wrong" memory - Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3000MHZ CL15 aka CMW16GX4M2C3000C15

It appears I should have gone for 3600MHZ as this 'plays nicely' with Ryzen or so I understand.

I've had an initial look at dram calc and taiphoonburner and I'm happy that if I was to proceed I know what to do.

However before I carry on will this give me any noticeable FPS gain, currently playing a lot of Warzone, or is it only likely to result in 1 or 2 additional FPS?

It's worth doing.

Firstly raising the FCLK on the CPU yields good improvements and as a secondary this then raises the speeds the ram runs at and you will also get tighter timings so all in all yes it does make a difference.

At 1080p it makes a huge difference. At 1400p it doesn't make a big difference to your max frames but it does to your 1% and 0.1% lows which makes things feel smoother.

With Ryzen sorting out the FCLK and ram is probably the biggest uplift your gonna get over any other type of overclocking you can do on the CPU.

If you have a look on YouTube for 3600CL16 vs 3600CL14 you will find a lot of comparisons.

opethdisciple · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:34

Mcnumpty2323 said:
just went from 3000mhz to 3600mhz ram
to be honest noticed no difference as the pc is just so fast any way
if i benchmarked it probably a little faster
but nothing major probably

Remember that 3600CL16 is mostly equivalent to 3200CL14 so you need to work on the timings.

SonicSW20 · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:35

Benchmarks are out there.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock

The speed is only half of the equation - timings are also important.

Is there a difference? Yes, absolutely. Is it noticeable? Depends. In the above benchmarks they are using a 2080Ti, and are benchmarking at 1080p, which is arguably an unrealistic scenario as anyone buying a 2080Ti is probably playing at 1440p or 4k. The purpose of this is to shift the load balance over to CPU instead of GPU, which will accenuate any difference the RAM speed and timings make.

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:47

opethdisciple said:
Remember that 3600CL16 is mostly equivalent to 3200CL14 so you need to work on the timings.

yeah its on my to do list lol
but thaiphoon burner refuses to run

must be something on my pc it doesnt like
yeah i could do it the old fashioned way like before
thaiphoon burner and dram calculator existed but its
too time consuming doing it
since i am on 1440p with a 2080ti not sure it would give
a great improvement anyway

SonicSW20 · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:49

Mcnumpty2323 said:
but thaiphoon burner refuses to run

Do you have RGB RAM? If so, kill the control software and any related services / applications. For example with my Thermaltake RAM, Thaiphoon Burner could not read any info from them while the ToughRAM software was running.

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 12:51

SonicSW20 said:
Do you have RGB RAM? If so, kill the control software and any related services / applications. For example with my Thermaltake RAM, Thaiphoon Burner could not read any info from them while the ToughRAM software was running.

great suggestion mate
thats exactly what i have toughram
never occurred to me the rgb software would stop thaiphoon burner
from even opening
will give that a try thanks

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 13:02

ok stopped everything that was running
turned out my anti virus was stopping thaiphoon
even though it didnt tell me doh
dont want to sidetrack the post too much so if some one could quickly tell me
what do i save or export the file from thaiphoon as
would be appreciated

edit never mind figured it out

opethdisciple · 7 Jun 2020 at 14:53

Mcnumpty2323 said:
ok stopped everything that was running
turned out my anti virus was stopping thaiphoon
even though it didnt tell me doh
dont want to sidetrack the post too much so if some one could quickly tell me
what do i save or export the file from thaiphoon as
would be appreciated

edit never mind figured it out

report - scroll down press the "show in nano seconds" and then export as complete html

.Griff. · 7 Jun 2020 at 16:42

Thanks all. Plenty of useful information.

I might take spend some time in BIOS tomorrow evening.

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 17:22

opethdisciple said:
report - scroll down press the "show in nano seconds" and then export as complete html

Thanks
Entered all the info manually as couldn't figure out how to get calculator to do anything with the html and it seems to work to recommend some settings

opethdisciple · 7 Jun 2020 at 17:30

Mcnumpty2323 said:
Thanks
Entered all the info manually as couldn't figure out how to get calculator to do anything with the html and it seems to work to recommend some settings

You press the import xmp button to import the taiphoon burner export

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 21:24

opethdisciple said:
You press the import xmp button to import the taiphoon burner export

Yeah tried that as logically if can export it from thaiphoon burner I assumed that would be to allow importing it to calculator
But all the fields stayed blank so just manually input it
Will try the suggested settings tomorrow

Shac · 7 Jun 2020 at 22:06

You click import xmp then browse to where you exported the taiphoon report to.
Cant go wrong tbh.

Mcnumpty2323 · 7 Jun 2020 at 23:25

Shac said:
You click import xmp then browse to where you exported the taiphoon report to.
Cant go wrong tbh.

Lol over the years have learned never to say that can't happen on a pc things that
Should work sometimes dont
Things that shouldn't work sometimes do lol