Regrets going from Intel to AMD?

humbug · 1 Jul 2020 at 13:30

Dave2150 said:
A friend of mine went from a 7700k setup to a 3800X setup and regrets not paying more for a 9900K. His complaints are rather trivial, but I'll note them here:

1. His 'new' PC takes three times as long to boot compared to his old Intel one
2. Fan on his motherboard is noisy
3. He transfers lots of files via SATA3 (he has a work-case for transferring lots of times to SATA SSD's). The Ryzen system is bugged and doesn't give full SATA3 speeds. I'd heard nothing of this, but apparently SATA3 on Ryzen has a known issue where it's slower than Intel's implementation.

Boot times are just as fast on the ryzen system as on the Intel, about 10 seconds, I'm using the same SSD and that is performing the same and at the speeds it's meant to.

welshrat · 1 Jul 2020 at 13:45

https://www.techspot.com/review/1646-storage-performance-intel-z370-vs-amd-x470/

Appears to be very little in it and these were ryzen 2000 series, I imagine that 3700 has improved especially if you use pcie4, looking at the conclusion though it could be in the wrong slot.

SonicSW20 · 1 Jul 2020 at 13:48

humbug said:
Boot times are just as fast on the ryzen system as on the Intel, about 10 seconds, I'm using the same SSD and that is performing the same and at the speeds it's meant to.

I have the same "issue" with boot times being slower than my old Intel system, as does my friend (also 3700X) - its quite a common "issue". Doesn't bother me as its still plenty fast enough.

humbug · 1 Jul 2020 at 13:59

SonicSW20 said:
I have the same "issue" with boot times being slower than my old Intel system, as does my friend (also 3700X) - its quite a common "issue". Doesn't bother me as its still plenty fast enough.

Are you measuring that including the Bios slash scree? The Bios takes longer on my 350 board but as soon as its past that I'm on the login screen in 3 seconds flat.
I don't get hove people can notice it as that much longer, the BIOS on every board is different and beyond that it's so fast its at the login screen before you plant your derriere in the seat.

humbug · 1 Jul 2020 at 14:12

Check the motherboard, the ASMedia chip set on 300 and 400 series boards is crap, its why AMD switched to using thier own, some of the SATA3 plugs are from the chip set, make sure you're connected to the ones on the CPU, your board manual will tell you which ones are connected to where.

SonicSW20 · 1 Jul 2020 at 14:40

humbug said:
Are you measuring that including the Bios slash scree? The Bios takes longer on my 350 board but as soon as its past that I'm on the login screen in 3 seconds flat.
I don't get hove people can notice it as that much longer, the BIOS on every board is different and beyond that it's so fast its at the login screen before you plant your derriere in the seat.

Yes, always measuring from cold boot for both AMD and Intel.

humbug · 1 Jul 2020 at 14:58

SonicSW20 said:
Yes, always measuring from cold boot for both AMD and Intel.

Then you're including BIOS initialization time, which differs from board to board anyany,
My B350 certainly takes twice as long as my Z97 did to get to and past the splash screen but as soon as it starts to access the drive and load up windows it's done that just a couple of seconds.

SonicSW20 · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:00

humbug said:
Then you're including BIOS initialization time, which differs from board to board anyany,
My B350 certainly takes twice as long to get to and past the splash screen but as soon as it starts to access the drive and load up windows it's done that just a couple of seconds.

Yes, which is the point - that seems to take longer on most AMD systems vs Intel equivalents, as you are also experiencing.

humbug · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:15

SonicSW20 said:
Yes, which is the point - that seems to take longer on most AMD systems vs Intel equivalents, as you are also experiencing.

Yes, for some reason the BIOS on AMD seems to take longer to initialize, it's a few seconds vs a few more, meh... First World problems

jigger · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:17

SonicSW20 said:
Yes, which is the point - that seems to take longer on most AMD systems vs Intel equivalents, as you are also experiencing.

I don’t think I’ve ever measured boot cold times on any system.

Is that down to the Intel fast boot linked to the windows kernel?

jigger · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:18

humbug said:
Yes, for some reason the BIOS on AMD seems to take longer to initialize, it's a few seconds vs a few more, meh... First World problems

My biggest problem on the machine I’m currently using is waiting for the monitor to wake up.

SonicSW20 · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:19

humbug said:
Yes, for some reason the BIOS on AMD seems to take longer to initialize, it's a few seconds vs a few more, meh... First World problems

Very much so, which is why issue was in quotation marks in my original post.

jigger said:
I don’t think I’ve ever measured boot cold times on any system.

Is that down to the Intel fast boot linked to the windows kernel?

Maybe? I've not sat there with a stopwatch and timed it exactly, it was just noticably longer than any previous Intel system I've owned, and longer than my Intel laptop. Its not a big deal at all though.

jigger · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:31

SonicSW20 said:
Very much so, which is why issue was in quotation marks in my original post.

Maybe? I've not sat there with a stopwatch and timed it exactly, it was just noticably longer than any previous Intel system I've owned, and longer than my Intel laptop. Its not a big deal at all though.

It’s just an interesting topic (increasingly rare for the forum) to understand why that would be the case. As pointed out it’s going to be heavily hardware config dependent and Fastboot is a topical subject in itself. Windows creates a compressed file from the last session to used on the next boot, but it can cause problems for the next session.

SonicSW20 · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:33

I usually turn fastboot off.

jigger · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:50

SonicSW20 said:
I usually turn fastboot off.

Yeah, unfortunately Windows/Intel like to turn it back on.

It might have nothing to do with fastboot. Most Intel configurations might just initialise hardware faster.

humbug · 1 Jul 2020 at 15:57

jigger said:
It’s just an interesting topic (increasingly rare for the forum) to understand why that would be the case. As pointed out it’s going to be heavily hardware config dependent and Fastboot is a topical subject in itself. Windows creates a compressed file from the last session to used on the next boot, but it can cause problems for the next session.

I don't trust fast boot for this reason, never ever used it, I boot off an SSD, don't need fast boot....

jigger · 1 Jul 2020 at 16:04

humbug said:
I don't trust fast boot for this reason, never ever used it, I boot off an SSD, don't need fast boot....

Yeah, fastboot can be a PITA. I usually kill everything I don’t need at the BIOS level and (if Windows) kill all unused services.

Sycho · 1 Jul 2020 at 17:50

I am new to Ryzen, is it normal for the clock speed of the cpu to fluctuate during gaming? i.e not always go capped speed?

SonicSW20 · 1 Jul 2020 at 17:52

Sycho said:
I am new to Ryzen, is it normal for the clock speed of the cpu to fluctuate during gaming? i.e not always go capped speed?

Yes as the CPU is not going to be loaded at 100%. It will boost as required for the current load, thermal and power limits allowing. That fluctuation should not be affecting gaming performance.

Saul Farrell · 31 Aug 2020 at 21:38

In my opinion, I regret that I hadn't switched over sooner! I was always an Intel fanboy and never chose anybody else. I only recently built a new PC with a ryzen chip and I was amazing. At the price I bought my CPU for, I could've spent double with intel to get the same performance!