Kyle Rittenhouse - teen who shot three people in Kenosha

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I think initially it helped the Democrats, but people are realising that actually the Democrats are turning down offers of help and are actually the one's not helping the situation. Basically it's backfiring. They obviously aren't causing the riots "deliberately", they're just complicit by not asking for federal assistance.



That isn't anything I've said, nice straw man.



You've made up a position I have that's false and then called it ridiculous.



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-m...s-bail-in-riot-torn-minneapolis-idUKKBN2360SX

Well here's "law and order" Joe Biden's staff, directly funding the bail of people who have been arrested. In fairness to Joe though, let's be honest, he was in his basement at the time and literally had no idea what was going on.

antifa.com :D:D:D:D:D
 
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No. 29 (should have after that suing episode over bids on eBay)

life is too short to read posts from people with no morals.

Not sure how you can claim that when you ignore or can’t deal with the points raised, can’t put forward an argument in reply and instead make silly posts like that.

I thought you were supposed to be some sort of lawyer too?
 
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All charges should be dropped asap.
I love it.

Fox News reporting the views of the attorney of one side in a matter, manufacturing a death threat - and you don't question that as a helpful source for a second.

Is that the teaching of the University of Life's "Critical Analysis" course shining through?
Ok, let me be honest. You posted a load of conspiracy nonsense, unrelated articles, opinion pieces and single instance examples from a load biased sources, packaging it up to make it look like a coherent version of events, when its not.

Admittedly this isn't SC, but common, at least try and make an effort to back up your claims.

Here's some free :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.
/dismisses the Washington Post as "conspiracy nonsense"; accepts YouTube without question.

Which article are you dismissing? Or is it just all of them?
 
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No. 29 (should have after that suing episode over bids on eBay)

Lofe is too short to read posts from people with no morals.

Oh, what a surprise, I totally wasn't expecting that. :rolleyes: Is this gonna be like the other threads were you pretend to add to people to your ignore list and make passive aggressive remarks to them after the fact?

Not sure how you can claim that when you ignore or can’t deal with the points raised, can’t put forward an argument in reply and instead make silly posts like that.

I thought you were supposed to be some sort of lawyer too?

No, thankfully he's just a really bad photographer. :D

This is not true.

There certainly isn't any evidence of a "signifcant" close of the gap yet. The good/respected polls still have him as ~+9 in the polls on average.

Also to follow on from this point earlier.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/31/trumps-approval-rating-black-voters-soars-60-durin/

Trump's approval rating with Black voters soars by 60% during RNC: poll

Certainly doesn't seem like blacks are buying the BLM crap.
 
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Oh, what a surprise, I totally wasn't expecting that. :rolleyes: Is this gonna be like the other threads were you pretend to add to people to your ignore list and make passive aggressive remarks to them after the fact?

I don't get it tbh... he seems annoyed at others having a different take but he's just venting... I mean I don't think anyone has said it was a great idea for a 17 year old kid to be out with an assault rifle after 2 nights of rioting but he's acting as though that is what people have claimed with all these "batman" comments and talking past people re: "vigilante = bad, why are you defending him" blah blah etc...

Reality is a bit different, fact is no one was supposed to be there are there probably is a self defence argument, arguing against that point involves, well explaining why there isn't... but seemingly he can't do that so throws in waffle about batman instead and makes a show about how he's ignoring people.
 
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my view is very simple. if he wasn't at the protest with a gun, 2 people wouldn't have got killed, regardless he was attacked or not.

Maybe more people would have been killed by a building being set on fire. Arson quite often kills people. Maybe the people he shot would have killed someone else, maybe more than 1 person. No way of telling.
 
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I love it.

Fox News reporting the views of the attorney of one side in a matter, manufacturing a death threat - and you don't question that as a helpful source for a second.

Is that the teaching of the University of Life's "Critical Analysis" course shining through?

Yeah the thing is we've actually also seen a video of what happened ourselves, it's not like we're taking what he's saying in isolation, his views basically match what we've seen. There's no chance this kid gets found guilty.
 
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I think I caught the tail end of this on Reddit - first thoughts were "holy **** that looked like a couple of murders", but the first video didn't show what happened clearly enough - just the aftermath of the guy getting hit in the head, and the efforts to save him.

When the shooter was running away, and was about to get lynched, I suspect the second person killed would be classed as 'justifiable homicide' (think that's a term the Yanks use) as he did so in self defense. But then this lad got up and started popping off shots at people - assuming he wasn't just firing over them as a warning.

But it's easy for me to sit in a comfy chair posting my zero-experience-of-this opinion. Personally, I think the US is ****** right now, and it is mental that people, on both side of the argument, can go out armed to the teeth. I guess it was only time that this sort of thing were to happen.
 
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I think I caught the tail end of this on Reddit - first thoughts were "holy **** that looked like a couple of murders", but the first video didn't show what happened clearly enough - just the aftermath of the guy getting hit in the head, and the efforts to save him.

When the shooter was running away, and was about to get lynched, I suspect the second person killed would be classed as 'justifiable homicide' (think that's a term the Yanks use) as he did so in self defense. But then this lad got up and started popping off shots at people - assuming he wasn't just firing over them as a warning.

But it's easy for me to sit in a comfy chair posting my zero-experience-of-this opinion. Personally, I think the US is ****** right now, and it is mental that people, on both side of the argument, can go out armed to the teeth. I guess it was only time that this sort of thing were to happen.

This seems about where I'm at with this, it's crazy all round.

It's a bit sad that no matter what the subject if its just remotely political then the obvious trolls just turn up with their obvious agenda's, can't they just stick to SC where "Intelligent debate of newsworthy issues." occurs and us unintelligent oiks can stay in our lane in GD?

The next burning question I have is that with a bit of a stalemate and seemingly lots of violence brewing on both sides, is this going to be a very dark period for the US?
 
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But then this lad got up and started popping off shots at people - assuming he wasn't just firing over them as a warning.
I'm pretty sure thats not him fireing those shots off, (his rifle is aimed at the floor, no smoke or muzzle flashes) but I don't know who it is, I've seen another video from another angle where the shots are louder from that persons perspective.
 
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When the shooter was running away, and was about to get lynched, I suspect the second person killed would be classed as 'justifiable homicide' (think that's a term the Yanks use) as he did so in self defense. But then this lad got up and started popping off shots at people - assuming he wasn't just firing over them as a warning.

He didn't start poping shots off at people, he shot three people in total and none of them were random people, there were two people killed, after the second person killed that you refer to there as a justified homicide he shot a third person in the arm, that person had a handgun.

I suspect there are legal arguments to be made in support of both what the kid did and what the person with the handgun did.
 
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Leeds is 20 miles from where I live, I still work there, if it was being smashed up and the Police weren't doing anything I might be inclined to go help out and stop it as it directly affects me. Kyle works as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he's fully entitled to be there if people are smashing up local businesses at the city he works in, it directly affects him.

you would be inclined to do nothing. On the itnernet everyone thinks they are gangster, if a full riot was in progress in Leeds you would be sat on your sofa with popcorn watching the live stream from Sky News talking big about how if you weren't so busy eating popcorn you would go there an smash up some looters. The truth is you would lay a massive log in your pantyhose before going anywhere near there..........

The internet is good for 2 things

1. Porn
2. people pretending to be some hardcore vigilante

you are currently making good use of number 2.
 
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Leeds is 20 miles from where I live, I still work there, if it was being smashed up and the Police weren't doing anything I might be inclined to go help out and stop it as it directly affects me. . . .
How fortunate then that you are unlikely ever to get the chance to get your hands on a semi-automatic rifle :rolleyes:
 
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you would be inclined to do nothing. On the itnernet everyone thinks they are gangster, if a full riot was in progress in Leeds you would be sat on your sofa with popcorn watching the live stream from Sky News talking big about how if you weren't so busy eating popcorn you would go there an smash up some looters. The truth is you would lay a massive log in your pantyhose before going anywhere near there..........

The internet is good for 2 things

1. Porn
2. people pretending to be some hardcore vigilante

you are currently making good use of number 2.

I've been the only person to take action in quite a few occasions wildman. I've helped 2 people in Leeds train station who were having seizures/fits, the first time I put a towel on the back of the guys head and applied pressure because he'd cracked it on the concrete and got someone to call an ambulance (there were dozens of people stood around doing NOTHING), the second time the blokes lips had gone blue while people were stood around like lemons, I put him in the recovery position so he could breath and waited for the paramedics, his head was back and his tongue was blocking his airway before I did that. I intervened in a fight at the local pub I used to work at where 2 blokes had pulled a T shirt over the head of one of the locals and were going to town on him while he wasn't able to defend himself, I got between them and pushed them away and blocked quite a few punches before they got thrown out, I stopped the guy getting his head kicked in. I intervened in an older bloke being attacked in a bus station and stopped it going any further. I'm really not one to sit around though I can see why you might assume that because most people will do nothing, they just expect someone else to do it, a lot of people like that in this thread.

How fortunate then that you are unlikely ever to get the chance to get your hands on a semi-automatic rifle :rolleyes:

Why? Did you read something I didn't type again? I wouldn't ever want to shoot anyone
 
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