10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

Poneros · 4 Sep 2020 at 10:55

opethdisciple said:
Here's something no one has mentioned yet.

Games need RAM also. Not just vram.

Games now days on the PC use how much ram? 8, 9 - 10GB?

So the consoles have to share the 16GB of RAM they have between system ram and VRAM.

A gaming PC with a 3080 would have 10GB of DEDICATED super fast VRAM and usually 16GB of system ram.

So your PC suddenly looks like it has a lot more ram than a next gen console.

That's true but it doesn't so much matter because consoles only do one thing: game. There's a lot of efficiency to the process that gets added by virtue of them being closed systems & limited in the number of specs available (let's say 3 this gen - PS5, XSX & XSS). There's also different builds & APIs for each, and then for PC as well, so I wouldn't count 10 GB in a console as 10 GB in a PC - it's going to depend a lot on the devs in order to reach that parity.

james.miller · 4 Sep 2020 at 10:57

opethdisciple said:
Here's something no one has mentioned yet.

Games need RAM also. Not just vram.

Games now days on the PC use how much ram? 8, 9 - 10GB?

So the consoles have to share the 16GB of RAM they have between system ram and VRAM.

A gaming PC with a 3080 would have 10GB of DEDICATED super fast VRAM and usually 16GB of system ram.

So your PC suddenly looks like it has a lot more ram than a next gen console.

No i definitely mentioned that lol.

dogma77 · 4 Sep 2020 at 11:11

McPhee said:
3080 doesn't appear to have any issues trouncing the 2080 Ti in Doom Eternal.

Are you blind? Haven't you noticed all these 50+ fps drops?

Poneros · 4 Sep 2020 at 13:32

Speaking of 4K, we did notice some VRAM limitations when using the game’s HD Texture Pack. On Ultra Settings/Ultra Textures, our performance went downhill in the following scene. As you can see, our RTX2080Ti was used to its fullest and pushed 17fps.
However, when we used Ultra Settings/High Textures, our performance skyrocketed to 42fps. This appears to be a VRAM limitation. As we can see, the game’s Ultra textures used 10.5GB of VRAM, whereas High textures used 8GB of VRAM. Thus, it will be interesting to see whether the NVIDIA RTX3080 will be able to handle this game in 4K with its 10GB VRAM.

https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-performance-analyses/marvels-avengers-pc-performance-analysis/

CuriousTomCat · 4 Sep 2020 at 14:04

The 3gb 780 Ti was enough in 2013 when the consoles launched with 8gb. That's 3Gb Vram Vs 8Gb Vram. It wasn't a problem.

Now in 2020, 10gb Vram is suddenly a problem Vs the consoles 16Gb? It's a smaller gap than in 2013.

Doesn't anybody remember this??? It wasn't a problem. Stop panicking.

Poneros · 4 Sep 2020 at 14:28

CuriousTomCat said:
The 3gb 780 Ti was enough in 2013 when the consoles launched with 8gb. That's 3Gb Vram Vs 8Gb Vram. It wasn't a problem.

Now in 2020, 10gb Vram is suddenly a problem Vs the consoles 16Gb? It's a smaller gap than in 2013.

Doesn't anybody remember this??? It wasn't a problem. Stop panicking.

Things change. Raytracing is vram hungry, so if you don't want to game at the console minimum you risk having vram issues.

xraycat87 · 4 Sep 2020 at 14:31

I'll just use some of my hard drive as vram. Problem solved

chris85oc · 4 Sep 2020 at 14:35

Poneros said:
Things change. Raytracing is vram hungry, so if you don't want to game at the console minimum you risk having vram issues.

Ps5 stronger than rtx 3080 confirmed. Pc gamers doomed to play on lower than console settings nextgen.

413x · 4 Sep 2020 at 14:44

Damn it. This must either be a problem or not.

Last thing you want to do is drop 600 on a gpu to be bottlenecked

Chuk_Chuk · 4 Sep 2020 at 14:52

CuriousTomCat said:
The 3gb 780 Ti was enough in 2013 when the consoles launched with 8gb. That's 3Gb Vram Vs 8Gb Vram. It wasn't a problem.

Now in 2020, 10gb Vram is suddenly a problem Vs the consoles 16Gb? It's a smaller gap than in 2013.

Doesn't anybody remember this??? It wasn't a problem. Stop panicking.

That's why we are still using graphics cards with 3GB of VRAM in 2020. oh wait.

If we were talking about the 3060 or maybe even the 3070 with 10GB of VRAM. I would agree that it is enough (for now). But we are talking about the flagship card for PC gaming (assuming AMD drops the ball).
You're paying a premium so that you can have the same graphical fidelity as a console, admittedly with higher frame rates. (I think we all agree that an increase graphical fidelity, compared to the console, will require more VRAM right? Does anyone disagree?). Like i said on the first page for those that buy a new graphics card every generation this isn't going to be a problem. For anyone planning on skipping a generation, good luck with that.

To those who are saying that 10GB is enough, and RTX IO will make up the difference, etc...

You will all be singing a different tune when Nvidia launches their next generation of cards with ~16GB VRAM on the top end

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And none of you will be complaining about having to pay more for an extra 6GB of VRAM you "don't" need

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Poneros · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:09

Chuk_Chuk said:
You will all be singing a different tune when Nvidia launches their next generation of cards with ~16GB VRAM on the top end.
And none of you will be complaining about having to pay more for an extra 6GB of VRAM you "don't" need.

Don't even need to wait that long, just a few months and a variant like that will be out.

Amraam · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:14

dogma77 said:
Are you blind? Haven't you noticed all these 50+ fps drops?

The textures in that game look awful in places too.

chris85oc · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:28

dogma77 said:
Are you blind? Haven't you noticed all these 50+ fps drops?

2080ti better than 3080 confirmed. Nvidia is doomed.

JohnG7 · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:35

I never really rated my 780Ti, was not much a jump over the 680 4GB I had previously but the jump from the 780Ti to the Titan X was (the first black coloured full fat Titan X so 2015) was decent.

Yaayuh! · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:39

Have we got any evidence of an 8GB 2080 or 5700XT being hindered by VRAM?
I don't mean "ThIs GaMe UsED aLL 8GigS" I mean actually hitting the limit and performance suffering as a result (mass stuttering and/or massive drop in performance etc).

Chuk_Chuk · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:41

Yaayuh! said:
Have we got any evidence of an 8GB 2080 or 5700XT being hindered by VRAM?
I don't mean "ThIs GaMe UsED aLL 8GigS" I mean actually hitting the limit and performance suffering as a result (mass stuttering and/or massive drop in performance etc).

This is worth a watch. Skip to 9:55 for the biggest difference.

Nasher · 4 Sep 2020 at 15:51

8gb is still enough, I've still not seen it filled even when using VR. 6gb on the 1060 was a bit borderline on some things.

If you were running 4k in VR then you might fill it. But that's going to run like crap no matter what you have.

pBay · 4 Sep 2020 at 16:00

Well I was set on this 3080 coming from a 1080ti, but all this VRAM talk has pushed me over the edge. I'll sit it out for a little while longer and see how things fall.....until tomorrow when I change my mind again.

Kelt · 4 Sep 2020 at 16:04

pBay said:
Well I was set on this 3080 coming from a 1080ti, but all this VRAM talk has pushed me over the edge. I'll sit it out for a little while longer and see how things fall.....until tomorrow when I change my mind again.

Just like me, and, I suspect, a few million others!

Yaayuh! · 4 Sep 2020 at 16:09

Chuk_Chuk said:
This is worth a watch. Skip to 9:55 for the biggest difference.

So Doom eternal is out so far for 8GB at max 4K. Can we get any more to add to the list?

Makes you wonder that's why they're releasing the 3070 later, for when the "Ultra" 4K benchmarks hit in reviews.