Gravel, gravel everywhere

GreatAuk · 9 Sep 2020 at 22:48

I don't like gravel. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. :mad:

Diddums · 9 Sep 2020 at 22:54

PardonTheWait said:
Do you honestly think anyone who’s got a horse hasn’t got a car as well?

Absolutely. What kind of person has a car and a horse? Absolutely bonkers :confused:

Rotty · 9 Sep 2020 at 23:56

Conscript said:
It kind of does when you're using it to imply that paying/not paying that tax somehow gives someone more or less right to use the road
n.

that's exactly what it does, if I pay it I can use my car on the road, if I don't pay it then I can't

Yrkoon · 10 Sep 2020 at 00:26

Rotty said:
that's exactly what it does, if I pay it I can use my car on the road, if I don't pay it then I can't

general taxation pays for the roads and leccy cars are exempt from ved.

cheesyboy · 10 Sep 2020 at 00:50

Rotty said:
that's exactly what it does, if I pay it I can use my car on the road, if I don't pay it then I can't

Tax pays for pollution, not the roads. That's why it's free for low polluting cars. And Horses and bikes are exempt

Akagi · 10 Sep 2020 at 00:56

cheesyboy said:
Tax pays for pollution, not the roads. That's why it's free for low polluting cars. And Horses and bikes are exempt

Precisely. It is exise duty, which is a tax designed to discourage something.

The tax on nicotine products is also an exise duty.

LeMson · 10 Sep 2020 at 00:57

cheesyboy said:
Tax pays for pollution, not the roads. That's why it's free for low polluting cars. And Horses and bikes are exempt

I agree, ban them.

Akagi · 10 Sep 2020 at 00:58

BAN THE ROADS! :mad:

Yrkoon · 10 Sep 2020 at 01:35

Acme said:
BAN THE ROADS!

hahaha that cracked me up

Haze · 10 Sep 2020 at 05:50

Bone shaking surface on a horse.....?

Malevolence · 10 Sep 2020 at 05:54

Haze said:
Bone shaking surface on a horse.....?

I thought that weird too. But then it would explain why a shire horse I used to ride would never walk on anything other than grass or sand. Proper stubborn **** he was, and there was no way you were going to move him if he decided to stay put.

gailjon · 10 Sep 2020 at 07:52

It's the awful hold breath while tractor/hgv/car being driven too fast by plonker going past on newly gritted surface that is the worst bit. I've had two windscreens damaged over the years by flying gravel.

bJN · 10 Sep 2020 at 07:52

Malevolence said:
I thought that weird too. But then it would explain why a shire horse I used to ride would never walk on anything other than grass or sand. Proper stubborn **** he was, and there was no way you were going to move him if he decided to stay put.

I hope you paid the tax on that horse. What's the going rate these days, £1 per poop - sorry, emission - on the road?

Conscript · 10 Sep 2020 at 08:22

Rotty said:
that's exactly what it does, if I pay it I can use my car on the road, if I don't pay it then I can't

I think you've missed the point of what I said, even though I thought I'd outlined it in the part you havent quoted.

I didn't dispute that your ability to drive a car on the road was dependent on you paying a VED, and therefore I agreed that colloquially referring to it as "road tax" is fine.

What I disputed was your implication that therefore you have more right to the roads than those who don't pay a VED. An attitude you displayed when you told someone "if you don't pay road tax you have no right to complain".

You're implying that your requirement to pay an extra tax to use your motor vehicle on the road somehow gives you more say over their use because you call it "road tax". It doesn't.

Hence my original point..."road tax" is fine as long as you remember that it's about taxing motor vehicles' access to the road only. Everyone pays for the upkeep of the roads via their Council Tax, so telling someone they have no right to complain because they don't pay the extra tax you do to use a car on them is silly.

tom_e · 10 Sep 2020 at 09:09

I love it on my motorbike, really spices my rides up especially when someone drives right off my arse so they'd run straight over me if I come off.

koolpc · 10 Sep 2020 at 09:14

Cyclists and horse riders should be banned from using roads. Especially cyclists!

Basher · 10 Sep 2020 at 12:04

Rotty said:
that's exactly what it does, if I pay it I can use my car on the road, if I don't pay it then I can't

Tax is based on emissions and bikes don't produce any so don't pay tax, what's your point?

Local roads will be covered by the local authority so assuming they pay council tax, they have just as much right as you to complain.

vanpeebles · 10 Sep 2020 at 12:46

Horse Boxing Stance

glenimp617 · 10 Sep 2020 at 14:56

Everything the council does, has to be done at the lowest possible cost. Even if it means more expensive in the long run.
If you have two contracts, one asking for £50k and one asking for £100k but guarantee the job will last for years....they will pick the £50k one.

paradigm · 10 Sep 2020 at 15:03

TheOracle said:
Everything the council does, has to be done at the lowest possible cost. Even if it means more expensive in the long run.
If you have two contracts, one asking for £50k and one asking for £100k but guarantee the job will last for years....they will pick the £50k one.

This is inherently the problem though.

TCO should be more highly prioritized than initial outlay.